IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

@slkshock7,

That's true; that's the reason why I do not agree with ALL of Obama's spending. Having said that, during this very serious financial crisis, it's necessary to spend money "we don't have in our pockets" to save our economy.

It's no different than the spending of our government during WWII that far exceeded GDP. It also increased the deficit for future generations to pay off, but IT WAS NECESSARY.

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@slkshock7,

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Don't understand why everybody can't step back, take a breather and get our economy recovered before we write another trillion dollar check solely on the word of an Administration that has already been proven wrong (some would say lied) on the effectiveness, economies, and timelieness of its other signature initiatives.

Which initiative would that be? Specifically. See, I ask, because the ARRA is just starting to kick in and there are several signs that it is in fact working; as far as I know, this is the only 'signature initiative' that the Admin has acted on.

I think you use the words 'proven wrong' rather incorrectly here.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

slk still can't see the thousands of Americans losing their jobs every day, so he wants to cut off funding for those who are receiving unemployment benefits. The irony is that probably close to half of those receiving those benefits are MACs-conservatives. Is he speaking for all those people too? He wants them to be thrown out into the streets and starve with their children in tow. LOL They speak with forked tongue.

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@Advocate,

She is?????

I thought Rush was the leader of the repub party.
That is what many on here have said.

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I have been reading one version of the bill http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

And so far I have noticed something disturbing.

There is no mention at all of alternative medicine (chiropractic, acupuncture, holistic therapies, etc), so is the govt going to cover them?
They ARE accepted medical treatments, even if they are unorthodox.

Also, the bill does not mention vision care, dental care, aural care (hearing aids).
Will those be covered?
And if not, why not?

Also, my current insurance travels with me.
If I am in a foreign country and need it, my insurance is there for me.
Now, I dont see anything in the bill that allows for that.
So ,if someone travels, will they be without insurance?
Will they have to foot the bill themselves?
Will the govt of the country they are in pay the bill?

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There's a young woman on msnbc (now) who doesn't want universal health care, but she won't answer the question whether our country should do away with Medicare and social security which are totally socialist programs. She was asked if her parents were on Medicare, and she responded that they still don't qualify, but when asked if they should be denied Medicare, she couldn't answer. She mangled her response and could only say "don't put words in my mouth" without answering the question.

Typical conservative meme without understanding what they are saying, because they just repeat what they hear without analyzing what they are saying or how it can affect their own parents.

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@cicerone imposter,

There is a perfect place to look if you really want to see how badly the govt can screw up healthcare.
Just look at the VA.

I wouldnt go to a VA hospital for any reason.
They are mismanaged, crowded, understaffed, under equipped, and pretty shitty places to go.

If that is an example of how the govt wants healthcare to be, I dont want it.

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@cicerone imposter,

This is also an irony.

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Here is a typical AARP comment,

"I don't care if it is from the democrats or the republicans, the government cannot give us better health care. And more importantly, as soon as we look to government to take care of use we have made a tacit agreement to give the government control over all aspects of our lives. It is like making a deal with the Devil."

What does these clowns think Medicare is? Have they seen any government intervention into their health care? If they have, I want pure evidence of it, because it's not been reported by anyone. they're using the same fear-mongering that the conservatives are using without understanding the health plan being developed by congress. There's no cure for stupid. My wife and I are under Medicare, and we both believe we get the best health care possible, and I've never seen any government intervention into my doctor's decisions on our care.

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Didn't President Reagan sack all the air traffic controllers when they went on strike?

Mr Obama might sack the medical profession and insurers and whatnot and invite them to apply for posts in the US NHS. It is a sad thing to be born in a country where the materialistic considerations of sectional interests are put above your risk of ill health or accident.

That would be something akin to what our Minister of Health did and he stood up to the squealing and now our NHS is our proudest achievement and supported by the whole political spectrum despite its difficulties.

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@spendius,

All babies come out of the womb kicking and crying, because they don't know what this world is all about. Some never grow up from that point.

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@spendius,

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Didn't President Reagan sack all the air traffic controllers when they went on strike?

Yes, but you apparently dont realize they they had a no strike clause in their contracts AND as federal employees they were forbidden by law from going on strike.

A Dr or nurse in private practice can just quit and find another line of work.
Nobody can force them to work in their chosen field.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

... It is a sad thing to be born in a country where the materialistic considerations of sectional interests are put above your risk of ill health or accident.

Are you suggesting that The United States is in any way unique in this area??

Or that the ever benign government of Great Britain (and its former empire) is now or ever has been immune to materialistic considerations or sectional interests that might be put above the health of any of its subjects????? Many historical anecdotes come quickly to mind.

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@cicerone imposter,

ci wrote:

slk still can't see the thousands of Americans losing their jobs every day...

No, my point is that Obama lied about how effective the ARRA would be and that's exactly why we have "thousands of Americans losing their jobs every day". If the ARRA had done what it was sold as doing, then thousands of Americans would still have their jobs.

[Begin rant] Now Cyclo will state that it's Obama's advisors who made the mistake and the One shouldn't be blamed for the errors of his advisors. But this is no different than the CIA giving Bush bad information about the WMD in Iraq. If Dems can then insist that "Bush Lied" then I submit that Obama lied. [end rant]

Not sure how you jumped to the conclusion that I want to see folks "thrown into the streets and starve with their children..." All I really want is for Congress to slow it's hell-bent streak toward more and more spending and take time to assess the effectiveness of the first trillion dollar initiative before embarking upon a second. Even if you accept the current Admin position that the ARRA is just beginning to kick in and we'll really start seeing results in the next few months...isn't it wiser to simply wait those few months and then, if proven correct, consider this next trillion dollar escapade?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

What does these clowns think Medicare is? Have they seen any government intervention into their health care? If they have, I want pure evidence of it, because it's not been reported by anyone. they're using the same fear-mongering that the conservatives are using without understanding the health plan being developed by congress. There's no cure for stupid. My wife and I are under Medicare, and we both believe we get the best health care possible, and I've never seen any government intervention into my doctor's decisions on our care.

Right, but do you think Medicare as we know it is going to survive this session of Congress? In a much earlier reply to you, I believe I mentioned that at least one scheme included cuts of 20% for specialists and diagnostic procedures, though I do not know all that is included in "diagnostic procedures" Maybe MRI and CT scans, maybe colonoscopies, maybe nobody knows. I do know that Medicare compensation to HMOs is being cut. Do you suppose this might affect your premium in a negative kind of way?

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@cicerone imposter,

CI,
There are a lot of gaffes made on both sides about what this bill will do or will not do...just look at Obama's recent gaffe associating the public option with the trouble post office.

A lot of older people are getting justifiably upset about Medicare not because they stupidly feel its not a Government-run program but because the plans on the floor today will cut Medicare benefits severely to pay a sizeable chunk of the bill required.

Now you may come back with typical Dem meme that the bill will not cut Medicare, however that's clearly arguable and even folks like the Director of FactCheck.org don't support your position. (see this CBS News Report)

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@roger,

roger, You're also playing the fear game, and I'm not a victim. I'll believe it when I see it, not when people throw out fear-mongering without having any proof for it. "What if" scenarios are a waste of time; show me the beef.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Also, the bill does not mention vision care, dental care, aural care (hearing aids).

I actually had employer paid insurance that covered vision and dental care. Coverage for hearing aids is nearly impossible to find, anyway. In my state, you even pay sales tax, which added $175.00 to the cost of mine, which only includes one ear.

Your later comments on VA health care are well taken. I know one lady who went into the system with a stroke. VA paid for one night in the hospital, and she was sent on her way with advice to take an asprin every day. Rehab or other therapy - forget it. Oh, she is in exactly the same classification as I, that is Vietnam Era veteran.

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@cicerone imposter,

Pointing out what is happening is not a "fear game". The cuts to the HMO system is a done deal.

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@slkshock7,

slk, The fact of the matter is, Obama is not god and prone to make mistakes like most of us.

FYI, Medicare funding has been getting cut for many years - even under GWBush (and many decades before then). The reason I know this is because my younger brother is a physician who complained about the cuts in Medicare payments about three decades ago. This is another catch-22 for conservatives who don't want higher taxes, but think our government can continue to provide the same level of service as more people qualify for Medicare.

Qutchyurbitchn and live with the political situation that's been on-going for several decades. All the current problems wasn't the creation of Obama - although many try to blame him for everything under the sun.

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@mysteryman,

Pat Buchanan, a pretty savy guy, said that Palin could have the nomination for the asking.

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