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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 02:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I heard an older woman today on the radio talking about how O is going to kill off the elderly. Maybe this country doesn't deserve any more than what is offered by the right.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 02:53 pm
@Advocate,
This is all the misinformation that's being spread by the MACs-conservatives and even some democrats (who already owes their souls to the health insurance companies).

That's the reason why I said Obama already lost the communication war.
The naysayers are growing every day.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 03:04 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

This is all the misinformation that's being spread by the MACs-conservatives and even some democrats (who already owes their souls to the health insurance companies).

That's the reason why I said Obama already lost the communication war.
The naysayers are growing every day.


i don't know if he has totally lost yet, ci. but the boundries of "not losing" are being stretched pretty good.

i believe he was right in trying to do things in a bi-partisan way. that's what i called for over the last 8 years was a lowering of partisan hackery. and he has certainly given the concept time to work.

but as the republicans showed during the bush admin, "bi-partisan" to them means doing it all their way. remember the nuclear option?

so, if that was his plan, good for him for doing what he said he would. but if the congress comes back and the republicans still want to stand there in their matching haircuts and flag pins snotting out "noooo", i guess it's time to use the dem majority and pass as much as they can of his agenda this year and then keep going.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 03:06 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I think that's what Obama plans to do; if the republicans continue with their "no's" he's going to forget them after September 30 and work legislation without them.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 05:02 pm
The bi-partisan spirit to which most posters here credit the President doesn't appear at all evident among his supporters here.

Republicans have objected to the government operated option in the President's plan, and have (along with the Congressional Budget Office) questioned the unfounded assertions of the Democrats about the costs of their plan(s) or the future effects on the budget and our economy. They have also questioned the Presidents extremely vague assurances that costs will come down without significant rationing of care or even a little reform of an out-of-control tort system. On the other hand they have largely accepted rather sweeping reforms of the health insurance industry.

I don't see that as unreasonable in any way. If, alternatively, you are in the grip of the fantasy that all of these things certainly be accomplished in this way, then, of course you can continue as you are.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 05:04 pm
http://i27.tinypic.com/r0tpbk.jpg
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 05:09 pm
@djjd62,
exactimundo. "i got mine. hell with you".
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 05:19 pm
I reckon that UHC in the US will get the £ back to $4. At least. Maybe $40.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 05:38 pm
@spendius,
spendi, As a British citizen, you sure don't know what's happening in your own country, do you?

Quote:
British Economy in Deep Trouble Sterling to Suffer
Economics / UK Economy Dec 09, 2008 - 08:21 AM


Quote:


British economy shrinks at fastest rate for 30 years

Official figures show GDP fell by 1.9% in the first three months of this year, the sharpest quarterly decline since 1979, the year Margaret Thatcher came to power
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 06:28 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I know we never had it so good. The weekend is growing. Sick leave is expanding. Holidays are getting longer. The shops are begging us to eat more, drink more, act more irrationally.

I don't read ******* newspapers you silly moo. They are for entertaining doomsayers like you. I look through the Sunday Times headlines on Google to see if there's anything worth putting on here.

They reckon that swine flu fakers are costing ten times what swine flu costs. The media gave everybody the full gen on symptoms so you can ring in and sound authentically ill and the boss be happy you weren't going to arrive.

London is quiet on Fridays now. Easy parking.

Millions of acres are lying fallow. Fully funded. You can get a S/H video recorder for £1. They complain about the price of beer in the pub and the government is giving them the money to buy it. Free beer and getting to grumble as well.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 06:44 pm
How low will Republicans get?

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=111086&catid=8

Quote:

Tampa, Florida - Angry protesters and strong supporters are clashing inside and all around a health care reform town hall meeting in Downtown Tampa. The meeting which was scheduled to begin at 6:00 at the Children's Board of Hillsborough County drew hundreds of people who quickly began to overwhelm staff and event organizers at the front entrance.

As the building filled to capacity, angry protesters stuck outside began to scream, yell, and chant. At one point, those trying to get inside began banging on windows as Tampa Police officers quickly spread out guarding all entrances.


Banging on windows? Sounds familiar?

Remember the 'Brooks Brothers riot' during the 2000 recount?

http://www.makethemaccountable.com/images/0904/BrooksBrothersRiot.jpg

Quote:
This was when dozens of "local protesters," actually mostly Republican House aides from Washington, chanted "Stop the fraud!" and "Let us in!" when the local election board tried to move the re-counting from an open conference room to a smaller space.

With help from their GOP colleagues and others, we identified some of these Republican heroes of yore in a photo of the event.

Some of those pictured have gone on to other things, including stints at the White House. For example, Matt Schlapp, No. 6, a former House aide and then a Bush campaign aide, has risen to be White House political director. Garry Malphrus, No. 2 in the photo, a former staff director of the Senate Judiciary subcommittee on criminal justice, is now deputy director of the White House Domestic Policy Council. And Rory Cooper, No. 3, who was at the National Republican Congressional Committee, later worked at the White House Homeland Security Council and was seen last week working for the Presidential Inaugural Committee.


Here's what some of the others went on to do:

No. 1. Tom Pyle, who had worked for Rep. Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), went private sector a few months later, getting a job as director of federal affairs for Koch Industries.

No. 7. Roger Morse, another House aide, moved on to the law and lobbying firm Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds. "I was also privileged to lead a team of Republicans to Florida to help in the recount fight," he told a legal trade magazine in a 2003 interview.

No. 8. Duane Gibson, an aide on the House Resources Committee, was a solo lobbyist and formerly with the Greenberg Traurig lobby operation. He is now with the Livingston Group as a consultant.

No. 9. Chuck Royal was and still is a legislative assistant to Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a former House member.

No. 10. Layna McConkey Peltier, who had been a Senate and House aide and was at Steelman Health Strategies during the effort, is now at Capital Health Group.

(We couldn't find No. 4, Kevin Smith, a former GOP House aide who later worked with Voter.com, or No. 5, Steven Brophy, a former GOP Senate aide and then at consulting firm KPMG. If you know what they are doing these days, please e-mail [email protected] we can update our records.)

Sources say the "rioters" proudly note their participation on résumés and in interviews. But while the original hardy band of demonstrators numbered barely a couple of dozen, the numbers apparently have grown with the legend.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31074-2005Jan23.html

Shouting down meetings and harassing folks has been encouraged by Republican activist groups, organized online, and repeatedly used as a tool to try and intimidate Democratic House and Senate members this August. It is a disgusting tactic that ought to be repudiated by those in the Republican party.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 06:47 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
It's gonna get worse; they are extremists that lacks any civility and doesn't understand these threats are the next step to violence. Maybe they do know that.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 06:52 pm
http://www.makethemaccountable.com/images/0904/BrooksBrothersRiot.jpg

number 7 looks like the love child of rush limbaugh and louie anderson
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 07:04 pm
@djjd62,
Unfortunately, this is not funny. Threats are being made against our congress members because of their involvement in the health care debates.

MACs-conservatives have now resorted to threats against the members of our elected officials. They don't know what they are doing; they will eventually destroy this country's peace.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 09:38 pm
i haven't pulled the vids yet, but i'm pretty sure i recognized the guy that was going off on spector about not reading stuff at another town hall in a different part of the country. if i get the two together and i'm right, i'll post them.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Aug, 2009 10:12 pm
@cicerone imposter,
When they intimidate the free gathering of people to discuss public issues (such as universal health plan), they are in fact destroying our democracy.

MACs-conservatives have the extremist elements that do not understand anything about our democratic republic.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 01:33 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

When they intimidate the free gathering of people to discuss public issues (such as universal health plan), they are in fact destroying our democracy.

MACs-conservatives have the extremist elements that do not understand anything about our democratic republic.


either they don't understand, or they can't work with it. whatever. for some of these people, "their" america is disappearing at a rapid rate. i.e., there's a lot less people looking like Jeffrey Hunter as Jesus around the good ol' USA these days. it's freakin' them out.

buggy makers gone wild because of the horseless carriage.

what can i say? things change.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 05:30 am
@spendius,
So this congressman isnt going to hold any "town hall" meetings because his life was supposedly threatened?

Did anyone notice this part from the article Cyclo posted...
Quote:
We had no town hall events scheduled for the August recess anyway,


So this congressman is now saying he wasnt going to do something he hadnt planned to do anyway?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 06:01 am
Sometimes, I get the idea that politics in some countries are now and then just another kind of a professional wrestling show.

But now, it seems, some changed it to look like a show at the antique Colosseum. Only with the complete world as spectators.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 7 Aug, 2009 11:05 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

When they intimidate the free gathering of people to discuss public issues (such as universal health plan), they are in fact destroying our democracy.

MACs-conservatives have the extremist elements that do not understand anything about our democratic republic.


What then would you say about the anti government demonstrations done by protesters on the left during Republican administrations? Were they also attempting to destroy our democracy?
 

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