IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

or maybe he realizes that the radical right believes it's okay to murder a man because they don't like his politics. or to blow up a clinic. or a federal building.

He ought to be in favour of rounding them up in that case.

who?

members of the radical right who believe it's okay to murder a man because they don't like his politics. or to blow up a clinic. or a federal building.

That's who.

Too Old to have something fixed? Try England's Socialized Medicine System described below:

from the WSJ Editorial of July 7th, 2009

"Of NICE and Men"

The NICE board even has a mathematical formula for doing so, based on a "quality adjusted life year." While the guidelines are complex, NICE currently holds that, except in unusual cases, Britain cannot afford to spend more than about $22,000 to extend a life by six months. Why $22,000? It seems to be arbitrary, calculated mainly based on how much the government wants to spend on health care. That figure has remained fairly constant since NICE was established and doesn't adjust for either overall or medical inflation.

Proponents argue that such cost-benefit analysis has to figure into health-care decisions, and that any medical system rations care in some way. And it is true that U.S. private insurers also deny reimbursement for some kinds of care. The core issue is whether those decisions are going to be dictated by the brute force of politics (NICE) or by prices (a private insurance system).

The last six months of life are a particularly difficult moral issue because that is when most health-care spending occurs. But who would you rather have making decisions about whether a treatment is worth the price -- the combination of you, your doctor and a private insurer, or a government board that cuts everyone off at $22,000?

I didn't like to explain that to the pretty things on here marsz.

But I would choose a government board.

A typical Canadian seeking surgical or other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks in 2007, an all-time high, according to new research published Monday by independent research organization the Fraser Institute.

"Despite government promises and the billions of dollars funnelled into the Canadian health-care system, the average patient waited more than 18 weeks in 2007 between seeing their family doctor and receiving the surgery or treatment they required," said Nadeem Esmail, director of Health System Performance Studies at the Fraser Institute and co-author of the 17th annual edition of Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting .

http://www.fraseramerica.org/newsandevents/news/6598.aspx

What's an average patient?

I had a retinal detachment, probably due to playing football, and I was seen, tested, measured up and done and dusted as quick as procedures allowed. And I was neither in pain or incapable of operating as normally as having one eye allows. All free. Even got me a taxi for the 40 mile journey home after the op. The cheese sandwiches were a bit dire though.

CALGARY, CANADA" The U.S. House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on health should take note of CANADA'S experience, where a government run, single-payer health care system burdens citizens with lengthy wait times for surgery and other treatments, says a leading CANADIAN health economist.

“Americans who seek to use CANADA as a model for reforming their health care system need to be aware that a single-payer health care system like CANADA'S results in unacceptably long waits for medical procedures,” said Nadeem Esmail, Fraser Institute director of health system performance studies and co-author of the 18th annual edition of Waiting Your Turn: Hospital Waiting Lists in Canada.

THE FRAZER INSTITUTE
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their slogan (in a layperson's word) is :
"there's got to be a profit in EVERYTHING ! " .

i know there are some smart thinkers in the institute , but i would not want the frazer institute to form our government .
of course , they promote the rich person's gospel :
"there's got to be a profit in everything ! " .
(unfortunately i'm not rich - so i'm not eligible for membership) .

i also am NOT saying that the canadian healthcare system has no problems whatsoever , but if you live in canada you have health-insurance - and for which all canadians are paying (unless they are are marginal income earners) .

you may have noticed that canadian death and morbidity rates are some of the better ones in the world . the CIA worldbook can provide you with details if you are interested in reading about it .

Death rate bar chart


Country Name Value
Swaziland 31
Angola 24
South Africa 23
Lesotho 22
Sierra Leone 22
Zimbabwe 22
Liberia 21
Zambia 21
Mozambique 20
Niger 20
Afghanistan 20
Djibouti 19
Central African Republic 18
Malawi 18
Nigeria 16
Chad 16
Mali 16
Russia 16
Russia 16
Guinea-Bissau 16
Ukraine 16
Somalia 16
Guinea 15
Cote d'Ivoire 15
Ethiopia 14
Rwanda 14
Bulgaria 14
Namibia 14
Botswana 14
Belarus 14
Sudan 14
Latvia 14
Burkina Faso 14
Estonia 13
Hungary 13
Monaco 13
Tanzania 13
Burundi 13
Gabon 13
Cameroon 12
Uganda 12
Congo, Republic of the 12
Congo, Democratic Republic of the 12
Romania 12
Western Sahara 12
Gambia, The 12
Benin 12
Croatia 12
Mauritania 12
Lithuania 11
Laos 11
Trinidad and Tobago 11
Germany 11
Moldova 11
Senegal 11
Czech Republic 11
Portugal 11
Italy 11
Slovenia 11
Greece 10
Belgium 10
Kenya 10
Denmark 10
Sweden 10
Haiti 10
United Kingdom 10
Finland 10
Poland 10
Austria 10
Spain 10
Equatorial Guinea 10
Georgia 10
Slovakia 10
Togo 9
Ghana 9
Kazakhstan 9
Norway 9
Japan 9
Burma 9
Bahamas, The 9
Eritrea 9
Uruguay 9
Nepal 9
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 9
Netherlands 9
Barbados 9
Bosnia and Herzegovina 9
Switzerland 9
Montenegro 9
France 8
Luxembourg 8
San Marino 8
Armenia 8
Azerbaijan 8
Dominica 8
Madagascar 8
Malta 8
Guyana 8
United States 8
Cambodia 8
Greenland 8
Bangladesh 8
Saint Kitts and Nevis 8
Kiribati 8
Puerto Rico 8
Pakistan 8
Yemen 8
Ireland 8
Comoros 8
Uzbekistan 8
Australia 8
Canada 8
Vanuatu 8
Bhutan 8
Argentina 8
Liechtenstein 7
Bolivia 7
Korea, North 7
Cuba 7
Thailand 7
China 7
New Zealand 7
Tuvalu 7
Kyrgyzstan 7
Papua New Guinea 7
Tajikistan 7
Iceland 7
Palau 7
Taiwan 7
Andorra 7
Hong Kong 7
Mauritius 7
Nauru 7
India 6
Jamaica 6
Grenada 6
Cape Verde 6
Indonesia 6
Brazil 6
Seychelles 6
Vietnam 6
Peru 6
Mongolia 6
Korea, South 6
Turkmenistan 6
Sri Lanka 6
Lebanon 6
East Timor 6
Turkey 6
Sao Tome and Principe 6
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 6
Samoa 6
Chile 6
Belize 6
Iran 6
Fiji 6
New Caledonia 6
Colombia 6
El Salvador 6
Panama 6
Suriname 6
Morocco 5
Albania 5
Israel 5
Honduras 5
Philippines 5
Dominican Republic 5
Antigua and Barbuda 5
Guatemala 5
Tunisia 5
Iraq 5
Tonga 5
Venezuela 5
Egypt 5
Malaysia 5
Saint Lucia 5
Qatar 5
Cayman Islands 5
Mexico 5
Macau 5
Syria 5
Algeria 5
Singapore 5
Paraguay 4
Nicaragua 4
Costa Rica 4
Bahrain 4
Ecuador 4
Solomon Islands 4
Oman 4
Libya 3
Brunei 3
Jordan 3
Saudi Arabia 3
Kuwait 2
United Arab Emirates 2

The Canada Health Act of 1984 "does not directly bar private delivery or private insurance for publicly insured services," but provides financial disincentives for doing so. "Although there are laws prohibiting or curtailing private health care in some provinces, they can be changed," according to a report in the New England Journal of Medicine.[16][17] In June 2005, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled in Chaoulli v. Quebec (Attorney General) that Quebec's prohibition against private health insurance for medically necessary services laws violated the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms, potentially opening the door to much more private sector participation in the health system. Justices Beverley McLachlin, Jack Major, Michel Bastarache and Marie Deschamps found for the majority. "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care," wrote Chief Justice Beverly McLachlin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada

seems like a good time to move to libya :



moving soon ?

you may have noticed that canadian death and morbidity rates are some of the better ones in the world . the CIA worldbook can provide you with details if you are interested in reading about it .

Obama is probably takin names now, apparently. If you hear some "fishy" information on his health care plan, report it to the Whitehouse. For the definition of "fishy," its probably anything that disagrees with Obama today. And that doesn't necessarily disagree all the time with what Obama said yesterday, or last week, or a month ago.

"Obama is probably takin names now, apparently."

are you kinda sorta sure 'bout this one okester?

okie, You have enough fish stories for all of this country and more! You are the one who should be complaining to Obama, so that he'll know who you are to include on his "list."

Have you made sense today? If so, please provide a link.

To be clear I had said that they should be rounded up. I was only responsible for the "That's who". DTOM wrote the other.

okie is unable to provide any links for his far-out opinions, because nobody thinks like he does.