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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 17 Oct, 2007 07:12 pm
Advocate wrote:
High Seas, see what you started with your stupidity.


It wouldn't have continued without others' jerkiness.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 02:26 pm
Due to a rash (no pun intended) of bad information on the Canadian healthcare system, Snopes issued some comprehensive information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Oct, 2007 04:11 pm
Advocate wrote:
Due to a rash (no pun intended) of bad information on the Canadian healthcare system, Snopes issued some comprehensive information.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/canada.asp


What I learned from the Snope's article is very simple; not all hospitals are created equal - any place on this planet called earth. Not in Canada, not in the US, not in the UK, not in Germany, Japan, or Italy.

My wife and I have Kaiser Senior Advantage in Santa Clara, California. Our hospital is rated very high nationally, but not all Kaiser hospitals are rated as high, and some are in the lower end of ratings.

Not surprising.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 06:36 am
The Wall Street Journal asks:
What Health Plan Will You Elect?

Nothing really looking like universal healthcare ...

http://i24.tinypic.com/5z4co5.jpg http://i24.tinypic.com/34pcmro.jpg
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 07:44 am
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:19 am
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?


Something similar to Bismarck's Health Insurance Act of 1883?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:26 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?


Something similar to Bismarck's Health Insurance Act of 1883?


So, having the workers pay 2/3rds of the bill will help?

Somehow I dont think so.

Also,that doesnt answer my question.
How is Hillary going to be able to FORCE people to have insurance?
Is she going to create a new police agency to enforce it?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:40 am
mysteryman wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?


Something similar to Bismarck's Health Insurance Act of 1883?


So, having the workers pay 2/3rds of the bill will help?

Somehow I dont think so.

Also,that doesnt answer my question.
How is Hillary going to be able to FORCE people to have insurance?
Is she going to create a new police agency to enforce it?


Well, I neither know from where you got that workers have to pay 2/3 of the bill nor why my response didn't answer your question.

And why a new police agency? Where in any other country with mandatory universal health insurance did this ever happen ... in the 124 years of universal mandotary health insurance's history?
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:40 am
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?

As we've said repeatedly on this topic, they will inforce it the way it's being enforced in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. If you don't have health insurance, you pay a fine ( a big fine! ).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:45 am
Miller wrote:

As we've said repeatedly on this topic, they will inforce it the way it's being enforced in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. If you don't have health insurance, you pay a fine ( a big fine! ).


That's perhaps one possibilty.

The other is like it is done elsewhere: you literally can't work without having one.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 08:53 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Hillary and Edwards want to make it mandatory that everyone have health insurance.

OK, how are they gonna enforce that?


Something similar to Bismarck's Health Insurance Act of 1883?


So, having the workers pay 2/3rds of the bill will help?

Somehow I dont think so.

Also,that doesnt answer my question.
How is Hillary going to be able to FORCE people to have insurance?
Is she going to create a new police agency to enforce it?


Well, I neither know from where you got that workers have to pay 2/3 of the bill nor why my response didn't answer your question.

And why a new police agency? Where in any other country with mandatory universal health insurance did this ever happen ... in the 124 years of universal mandotary health insurance's history?


The workers will have to pay 2/3 of the bill came from here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Health_Insurance_Bill_of_1883

How is Hillary going to force people to have healthcare?
You responded with this...
Quote:
The other is like it is done elsewhere: you literally can't work without having one.


So, you advocate forcing people onto welfare if they choose not to have healthcare?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 09:13 am
mysteryman wrote:
The workers will have to pay 2/3 of the bill came from here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck#Health_Insurance_Bill_of_1883

How is Hillary going to force people to have healthcare?
You responded with this...
Quote:
The other is like it is done elsewhere: you literally can't work without having one.


So, you advocate forcing people onto welfare if they choose not to have healthcare?


a) the wiki qote:
Quote:
The health service was established on a local basis, with the cost divided between employers and the employed. The employers contributed 1/3rd, while the workers contributed 2/3rds .
Today it's 50:50.
(That's 50% - or was 66.6% in Bismarcks time) of the monthly fee for the health insurance, of course.)

b) why do I advocate people to go onto welfare? I would think that they can buy there private insurance as well - even under a UNIVERSAL MANDOTARY health insurance system.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 09:55 am
Welfare recipients in the USA get medicaid health insurance.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 09:57 am
By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 12:05 pm
Miller wrote:
By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.


Really? Shocked

Here, you go there ... and, may be, wait 20 mins.
(Okay, if there are a lot of accidents, it may last longer.)

[We actually use an ER only for accidents. For everything else, we go to any doctor's practise. And when you have an urgent medical situation during evenings, weekends and holidays, you call an "on-call" emergency physician. Speedy medical help is available there if it is necessary. (In most states by law within eight to ten minutes.)]
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 01:37 pm
in canada an EMERGENCY DOCTOR making housecalls (notarzt) is an unknown .
our old - now retired - family doctor had a telephone answering service and either he or a stand-in would call you back within a short time if you called .
such is no longer ! while we have a very good family physician , he strictly works office hours . we have "walk-in" clinics that are staffed until 8 or 9 pm , but after that it's the ER !

what we do have is a medical call-in service (called : telehealth) . it's staffed by nurse-practioners who try to make phone assessments .
we actually had to use it last winter when mrs h took sick rather suddenly about 5 am . i phoned and by the time i had hung up the phone , the ambulance was in our driveway - we live only a short distance from the ambulance/fire-station .
it turned out that mrs h had a rather bad reaction to a medication(CELEBREX) that our doctor had just prescribed a few days earlier !
it sure scared the living daylights out of me - but we were thankful for the prompt response .
the problem is that one has to be aware of all the various services that are available and make the right decision .
if mrs h would have been at home alone , i'm quite sure she would not have been able to make the call .
hbg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 01:47 pm
Well, you get a doctor all the day (in our town, three are always "on duty after practise hours and on weekends/at night).
That's similar to your family doctor, doing home visits - may last up to an hour until she/he arrives.


In emergency cases, a doctor comes (in our town from one of the hospitals, big cities have special units for such) - within 10 minutes.

The ER is only used for accidents.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 21 Oct, 2007 01:56 pm
walter :
i know what you are speaking about !
there are VERY FEW places in canada where you will find a physician making housecalls .
in toronto there are a few doctors (3 or 4 ?) , who make housecalls ONLY . you cannot see them at an office . if you make an appointment by 9 am , they promise to see you that day - so not good enough for emergency calls .
the medical board in ontario is in the process of setting up GROUP PRACTICES . several doctors , nurse practioners , dieticans etc. would be working out of one office . it'll take years to get it off the ground .
hbg (ANDERE LAENDER , ANDERE SITTEN Shocked :wink: )

for non-german speakers : ANDERE LAENDER , ANDERE SITTEN = different countries , different customs .
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High Seas
 
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Reply Mon 22 Oct, 2007 10:23 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Advocate wrote:
High Seas, see what you started with your stupidity.


It wouldn't have continued without others' jerkiness.

Cycloptichorn


Thanks, Cycl - the level of discussion here would drift even lower without your occasional contributions Smile
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stlstrike3
 
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Reply Tue 23 Oct, 2007 08:55 am
Miller wrote:
By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.


It's only 3 hours in rural Missouri. And these hoosiers complain incessantly.
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