stlstrike3 wrote:Miller wrote:By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.
It's only 3 hours in rural Missouri. And these hoosiers complain incessantly.
The MGH is a major hospital for Boston and the bulk of the New England area. It's also the home of the famous "ether dome".
Someone on this thread introduced the idea that Americans gluttony was the blame for our poor health, but the following article refutes that claim.
From the BBC:
Obesity 'epidemic' turns global
People are getting fatter in all parts of the world, with the possible exception of south and east Asia, a one-day global snapshot shows.
Between half and two-thirds of men and women in 63 countries across five continents - not including the US - were overweight or obese in 2006.
The Circulation journal study included over 168,000 people evaluated by a primary care doctor.
Experts said the findings were deeply worrying.
Excess body weight is pandemic
Lead researcher Beverley Balkau
People who are overweight have a higher risk of heart disease, Type II diabetes and other diseases including some cancers.
The International Day for the Evaluation of Obesity (IDEA) study looked at two measures of fatness - waist circumference and a calculation called body mass index or BMI.
A BMI (weight in kg divided by square of height in meters) of 18.5 to 25 is considered healthy.
A BMI over 25 is deemed overweight and greater than 30 is obese.
Pandemic
Just 7% of people in eastern Asia were obese, compared to 36% of people seeing their doctors in Canada, 38% of women in Middle Eastern countries and 40% in South Africa.
Canada and South Africa led in the percentage of overweight people, with an average BMI of 29 among both men and women in Canada and 29 among South African women.
168,000 people were evaluated by a doctor on a single day. The US was not included in the report.
A BMI over 25 is deemed overweight and greater than 30 is obese.
In Northern Europe men had an average BMI of 27 and women 26 - just into the overweight category. In southern Europe, the average BMI was 28. In Australia BMI was 28 for men and 27.5 for women while in Latin America the average BMI was just under 28.
Waist circumference was also high - 56% of men and 71% of women carried too much weight around their middle.
"The study results show that excess body weight is pandemic, with one-half to two-thirds of the overall study population being overweight or obese," said Beverley Balkau, director of research at the French National health research institute INSERM in Villejuif, who led the study.
That puts the rest of the world close to par with the US, long considered the country with the worst weight problem.
Miller wrote:By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.
I recently had occasion to visit the ER of the nearby hospital in San Francisco, following a hard fall - I was ambulatory & had no urgent symptoms. The wait time was 32 minutes. Most of that was spent collecting medical history, insurance & payment data.
Too little exercise and too much food. People don't have to walk or work as much as they did in the past to get their necessities.
cicerone imposter wrote:Someone on this thread introduced the idea that Americans gluttony was the blame for our poor health, but the following article refutes that claim.
From the BBC:
Obesity 'epidemic' turns global
People are getting fatter in all parts of the world, with the possible exception of south and east Asia, a one-day global snapshot shows.
Between half and two-thirds of men and women in 63 countries across five continents - not including the US - were overweight or obese in 2006.
The Circulation journal study included over 168,000 people evaluated by a primary care doctor.
Experts said the findings were deeply worrying.
Excess body weight is pandemic
Lead researcher Beverley Balkau
People who are overweight have a higher risk of heart disease, Type II diabetes and other diseases including some cancers.
The International Day for the Evaluation of Obesity (IDEA) study looked at two measures of fatness - waist circumference and a calculation called body mass index or BMI.
A BMI (weight in kg divided by square of height in meters) of 18.5 to 25 is considered healthy.
A BMI over 25 is deemed overweight and greater than 30 is obese.
Pandemic
Just 7% of people in eastern Asia were obese, compared to 36% of people seeing their doctors in Canada, 38% of women in Middle Eastern countries and 40% in South Africa.
Canada and South Africa led in the percentage of overweight people, with an average BMI of 29 among both men and women in Canada and 29 among South African women.
168,000 people were evaluated by a doctor on a single day. The US was not included in the report.
A BMI over 25 is deemed overweight and greater than 30 is obese.
In Northern Europe men had an average BMI of 27 and women 26 - just into the overweight category. In southern Europe, the average BMI was 28. In Australia BMI was 28 for men and 27.5 for women while in Latin America the average BMI was just under 28.
Waist circumference was also high - 56% of men and 71% of women carried too much weight around their middle.
"The study results show that excess body weight is pandemic, with one-half to two-thirds of the overall study population being overweight or obese," said Beverley Balkau, director of research at the French National health research institute INSERM in Villejuif, who led the study.
That puts the rest of the world close to par with the US, long considered the country with the worst weight problem.
This doesn't actually refute that statement. Those stats are based on a non-random sample. Those people were already in the doctor's office and it's safe to assume they're not in top health, else they wouldn't be there. If anything, it can be used to support the argument that obesity is the reason for poor health.
Hokie, Do you understand anything about relative concepts?
Miller wrote:By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.
What exactly is that supposed to indicate? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that people use the ER for all sorts of non-emergency things...
cicerone imposter wrote:Hokie, Do you understand anything about relative concepts?
Relativity aside, those stats don't show anything other than a large part of the people that went to the dr were fat.
USAFHokie80 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:Hokie, Do you understand anything about relative concepts?
Relativity aside, those stats don't show anything other than a large part of the people that went to the dr were fat.
You are stupid, and there's no cure for it.
cicerone imposter wrote:USAFHokie80 wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:Hokie, Do you understand anything about relative concepts?
Relativity aside, those stats don't show anything other than a large part of the people that went to the dr were fat.
You are stupid, and there's no cure for it.
Of course... call me stupid because you post completely irrelevant statistics that do not at all speak to the point you say they do. Clearly, I am the one that doesn't understand.
Details of a proposed health-care initiative for New Mexicans will be announced today by Gov. Bill Richardson.
To view a PDF of a presentation on the proposed health coverage plan,
click here.
Local coverage from the
Albuquerque Journal
Quote:A new Health Care Authority would work to control costs, ensure health care is affordable...
How will this be accomplished?
And...what about all the illegals in New Mexico?
Miller wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Miller wrote:Quote:A new Health Care Authority would work to control costs, ensure health care is affordable...
How will this be accomplished?
And...what about all the illegals in New Mexico?
What about them?
Cycloptichorn
What about them?
Yes, that's what I'm asking you. What about them changes your assessment of the situation?
Cycloptichorn
georgeob1 wrote:Miller wrote:By the way, the average wait time in the ER of the Mass. General Hospital in Boston is now 8-12 hours.
I recently had occasion to visit the ER of the nearby hospital in San Francisco, following a hard fall - I was ambulatory & had no urgent symptoms. The wait time was 32 minutes. Most of that was spent collecting medical history, insurance & payment data.
Those who walk in are usually in and out within 3 hours at major Boston area hospitals. If you enter a small community hospital, I suspect the wait time is significantly less than 3 hours.
Your wait time of 32 min sounds strange. Didn't they subject you to a concussion workup?
Walter Hinteler wrote:Details of a proposed health-care initiative for New Mexicans will be announced today by Gov. Bill Richardson.
To view a PDF of a presentation on the proposed health coverage plan,
click here.
Local coverage from the
Albuquerque Journal
Why is is that only 30% of the population has private insurance? That is ridiculous. Surely 70% of the state is not at the poverty level...
USAFHokie80 wrote:Walter Hinteler wrote:Details of a proposed health-care initiative for New Mexicans will be announced today by Gov. Bill Richardson.
To view a PDF of a presentation on the proposed health coverage plan,
click here.
Local coverage from the
Albuquerque Journal
Why is is that only 30% of the population has private insurance? That is ridiculous. Surely 70% of the state is not at the poverty level...
Wow, you really don't understand how much health care costs in today's society, do you?
You don't have to be below the poverty line to be unable to afford it.
Cycloptichorn