"Forget Immigration Laws"

So again we have the CAUSE is illegal immigration and the EFFECT is an increase in home invasions.

mysteryman wrote:

So again we have the CAUSE is illegal immigration and the EFFECT is an increase in home invasions.

Interesting. What credible evidence can you back that up with?

Baldimo, your posts in this other thread are rather ironic

Baldimo wrote:

I smoke I'll be honest. I have a dog in the legalization fight. Pot is the only drug that should be legalized. It doesn't create the same types of issues that other drugs do. It doesn't cause you to be physically addicted but it does have a mental component. I have never had a negative effect from pot to include wanting to rob someone so that I could get more. Other drugs have this effect but not pot. This past election here in CO we had to vote for legalization and I voted yes. It didn't pass but that is going to be a not yet. I don't support the legalization of the dangerous drugs like meth, coke, herion, crack and pcp. Those have a negative effect on society and destroy families.

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

ebrown_p wrote:

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

So,you are now going to deny the fact tha LAPD has had several officers killed by illegal immigrants?
Or that Houston has officers killed by illegals?
Or that there are many examples of illegals committing violent crimes?

Are you also denying that during the 70's and 80's in San Diego and Imperial counties home invasions along the border went up,most of them committed by illegals?

Are you so blind that you refuse to see the truth?

mysteryman wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

So,you are now going to deny the fact tha LAPD has had several officers killed by illegal immigrants?
Or that Houston has officers killed by illegals?
Or that there are many examples of illegals committing violent crimes?

Are you also denying that during the 70's and 80's in San Diego and Imperial counties home invasions along the border went up,most of them committed by illegals?

Are you so blind that you refuse to see the truth?

All of these examples may well be true. But your claim was that there is a cause-effect relation between illegal immigration and crime. Your anecdotes do not establish any cause-effect relation, or even a correlation. After all, there's plenty of crime committed by indigenous Americans. You haven't established that illegal immigrants are more criminal than indigenous Americans. All you have is anecdotes.

mysteryman wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

So,you are now going to deny the fact tha LAPD has had several officers killed by illegal immigrants?
Or that Houston has officers killed by illegals?
Or that there are many examples of illegals committing violent crimes?

Are you also denying that during the 70's and 80's in San Diego and Imperial counties home invasions along the border went up,most of them committed by illegals?

Are you so blind that you refuse to see the truth?

All of these examples may well be true. But your claim was that there is a cause-effect relation between illegal immigration and crime. Your anecdotes do not establish any cause-effect relation, or even a correlation. After all, there's plenty of crime committed by indigenous Americans. You haven't established that illegal immigrants are more criminal than indigenous Americans. All you have is anecdotes.

Thomas wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

So,you are now going to deny the fact tha LAPD has had several officers killed by illegal immigrants?
Or that Houston has officers killed by illegals?
Or that there are many examples of illegals committing violent crimes?

Are you also denying that during the 70's and 80's in San Diego and Imperial counties home invasions along the border went up,most of them committed by illegals?

Are you so blind that you refuse to see the truth?

All of these examples may well be true. But your claim was that there is a cause-effect relation between illegal immigration and crime. Your anecdotes do not establish any cause-effect relation, or even a correlation. After all, there's plenty of crime committed by indigenous Americans. You haven't established that illegal immigrants are more criminal than indigenous Americans. All you have is anecdotes.

The very fact that being here illegally is a crime itself.

Baldimo wrote:

Thomas wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

He hasn't even established a correlation. The term "correlation" implies rational thought combined with research which can be backed up by data.

I think what we have here is hysteria-driven conjecture.

So,you are now going to deny the fact tha LAPD has had several officers killed by illegal immigrants?
Or that Houston has officers killed by illegals?
Or that there are many examples of illegals committing violent crimes?

Are you also denying that during the 70's and 80's in San Diego and Imperial counties home invasions along the border went up,most of them committed by illegals?

Are you so blind that you refuse to see the truth?

All of these examples may well be true. But your claim was that there is a cause-effect relation between illegal immigration and crime. Your anecdotes do not establish any cause-effect relation, or even a correlation. After all, there's plenty of crime committed by indigenous Americans. You haven't established that illegal immigrants are more criminal than indigenous Americans. All you have is anecdotes.

The very fact that being here illegally is a crime itself.

No one has disputed that. The FACT is L.A. and Houston Police have been killed by black men, too. Was that because they were black? They've been killed by Republicans and Democrats as well. Is that because they were Republicans or Democrats? (Cause and Effect)

We had a Denver cop that was killed by an illegal alien that happened to work in a restraunt that was owned by the Democrat mayor of Denver. Being an illegal alien doesn't make you more prone to crime, but the fact is being an illegal already makes you a crook.

How much less crime would there be without the illegal alien element? How many illegal aliens are sitting in jail right now for crimes not related to there immigration status?

ebrown_p wrote:

Baldimo, your posts in this other thread are rather ironic

Baldimo wrote:

I smoke I'll be honest. I have a dog in the legalization fight. Pot is the only drug that should be legalized. It doesn't create the same types of issues that other drugs do. It doesn't cause you to be physically addicted but it does have a mental component. I have never had a negative effect from pot to include wanting to rob someone so that I could get more. Other drugs have this effect but not pot. This past election here in CO we had to vote for legalization and I voted yes. It didn't pass but that is going to be a not yet. I don't support the legalization of the dangerous drugs like meth, coke, herion, crack and pcp. Those have a negative effect on society and destroy families.

Please explain why it is ironic?

A crime is a crime.

How much less crime would there be without the illegal alien element?

Baldimo wrote:

We had a Denver cop that was killed by an illegal alien that happened to work in a restraunt that was owned by the Democrat mayor of Denver. Being an illegal alien doesn't make you more prone to crime, but the fact is being an illegal already makes you a crook.

How much less crime would there be without the illegal alien element? How many illegal aliens are sitting in jail right now for crimes not related to there immigration status?

How much less crime would there be without Black people? How much less crime would there be without Democrats? How much less crime would there be without Republicans? How much less crime would there be without LEGAL immigrants? You are still failing the Cause and Effect Test.

Baldimo wrote:

We had a Denver cop that was killed by an illegal alien that happened to work in a restraunt that was owned by the Democrat mayor of Denver. Being an illegal alien doesn't make you more prone to crime, but the fact is being an illegal already makes you a crook.

How much less crime would there be without the illegal alien element? How many illegal aliens are sitting in jail right now for crimes not related to there immigration status?

How much less crime would there be without Black people? How much less crime would there be without Democrats? How much less crime would there be without Republicans? How much less crime would there be without LEGAL immigrants? You are still failing the Cause and Effect Test.

Range estimates of illegals in CA being in jail is about half of the prison population

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Range estimates of illegals in CA being in jail is about half of the prison population

This is a lie.

The number of people in CA jails who are "non-citizens" is 10.1% according to the Department of Justice. Obviously the number of "illegals" is less than the number of non-citizens. This was flushed out in the other immigration thread.

Link to debunking on other thread.

I'll except the report, just provide me the link to where the original information was found.