Baldimo wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:Baldimo wrote:revel wrote:Baldimo wrote:DrewDad wrote:Interesting that don't kill them equates to join them.
Or even, stop them but don't take pleasure in killing them equates to join them.
Neutronium for brains....
How do we stop them without killing them? Do we understand them and bow down to their way of life?
Why don't we simply try staying out of their way of life first?
We tried that when Clinton was in office and see how well that worked. 9/11 is what happens when you stay out of their way of life. Remember they attacked the US first not the other way around.
I suppose if they stayed out of our way of life then we wouldn't bother them either.
9/11 is what happened because we
don't stay out of other people's way of life. It is amazing to me that you could see it any other way.
OBL didn't just wake up and decide that he hated America for no reason. While he is a butcher and murderer and should be caught - and I should add that I have no problem with our gunships shooting these people up - and tried, he isn't crazy or illogical. It is a mistake to think that he is.
The true solution to our problem will require adjustments and concessions on our part as well as theirs. It is far more logical to believe that the answer lies in the middle, then at the extreme end either way.
Cycloptichorn
9/11 was because we didn't stay out of their lives? Care to explain that one. As far as I know we didn't do anything to OBL prior to 9/11. We had forces in Saudi Arabia but that was on behalf of the Saudi govt. OBL not being a member of the Saudi govt or at that point even being a Saudi citizen had no say in what we were doing there. Remember we had troops there to keep an eye on Saddam who had tried to take over part of the middle east 10 years before. If that was his beef then he went around it the wrong way.
Were we supposed to sit back and say "opps our bad".
Bin Laden sees himself as a quasi-religious figure (much like Bush, he believes that God has told him that he is to do certain things). As Revel states in the post beneath mine, Bin Laden has written numerous pieces over the years detailing the things he considers to be 'US meddling in his life.'
Remember that Bin Laden's ultimate goal is not the defeat of the US by a horde of Muslim Jihadis. He isn't stupid and it is a huge error to assume that he is. Rather, his goal is to defeat us economically and politically, and you must realize by now that they are
winning. The war is costing us huge amounts of money and turning our allies around the world against us.
This is one of the major reasons that I push for alternative fuels so much, even if they aren't as cheap and efficient as oil - not just for enviornmental reasons, but so we actaully can get the hell out of the Middle East and let them deal with their own problems.
McG,
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What do we do with the millions of people in the ME that don't wish to be murdered by Islamic fundamentalists or live under Sharia law? Just turn our back on them? Tell them "Sorry, we are too afraid of being attacked again."?
We tell them, rise up and throw off your oppressors!
And if they decide not to do that, it isn't our responsibility to do it for them.
Cycloptichorn
