Ticomaya wrote:LoneStarMadam wrote: I'll tell you what i really think, I don't believe that brown was reading that book & for sure didn't say that to a complete stranger if he was reading it, nobody is that dumb.
Well, it
was a woman. He might not have had the cojones to be that rude to a man.
It would be ironic if she were an illegal immigrant.
I was entering Brooks Brothers in Virginia and noticed Pat shopping for ties. (He was quite a bit taller than I expected.) Having followed him closely on the radio and in the papers, I really despised him. Thus, when he nodded to me (as the result of my staring), I rudely looked away.
He is quite an extremist, and it is scary to think that he might have been elected president. I recall that, at one point, he was in charge of Nixon's Enemy's List. I also recall his defense of Nixon just before and after the Watergate hearings.
Sorry to disappoint y'all. But, "niceness" has never ranked very high on my list of virtues.
I consider hypocrisy a far worse sin than rudeness. I hate when civility is used to mask one's true feelings.
"Party of niceness"? Harrrummph! I would not join this party (nor would they want me). My party should be a party of far more important values than "niceness".
In real life or not, tell me what you think and I will respond in kind. Civility is for the shallow.
ebrown_p wrote:Sorry to disappoint y'all. But, "niceness" has never ranked very high on my list of virtues.
Who's disappointed?
Quote:I consider hypocrisy a far worse sin than rudeness. I hate when civility is used to mask one's true feelings.
Civility is a character flaw? .... interesting thesis.
Quote:"Party of niceness"? Harrrummph! I would not join this party (nor would they want me). My party should be a party of far more important values than "niceness".
How about the Party of "If I Want to Be a Dick on a Train, I'll Damn Well Be a Dick on a Train"?
Quote:In real life or not, tell me what you think and I will respond in kind. Civility is for the shallow.
It takes all kinds of people to make the world go round, ebrown. And you're one of them, warts and all. You just keep on being your rude self.
I've been too nicey in my life, smoothing conversation, getting along. Well, that was earlier. And that gets tangled up with passive aggressiveness. After I caught on to that I made what I think of as the mildest comments from time to time, and began growing a rep as a bitch.
Takes a bit of time to work out how to just talk straight. To some extent, sarcasm and irony are defensive ploys, much as I enjoy them, wit being the ultimate defense and ultimate offense.
I agree on reading all sorts of stuff. I agree the woman not only asked a question but had a point of view in the question. I agree that ebrown's response was a cut, and as reasonable as I see his words, wonder (no blame, just talking here).
It's tricky. It has happened to me that some sharp cut has made me think (however I reacted at the moment) and been part of my changing mind on this or that - just about never right away, but as part of an accumulation of comment and my own thoughts, some time later.
But just as much, cuts have antagonized me to the point of view - well, further, anyway - of the person making the verbal cut.
I'm not saying ebrown is wrong with his straightforward fairly mocking expression. Depends on the listener. Some might be better engaged with an "I have trouble with his premise" sort of talk - talk that engages the thinker instead of the defender.
Myself, when I have shifted in view, it might have been from a tossed off mockery that made me think. but that's just me.
I am sorry Tico et. al.... but this is a bit hard to take.
Conservatives (including Pat Buchanan and those on this very forum) vilify vast numbers of people. This vilification is not just on this forum, but in real life.
- Homosexuals are accused of wanting to destroy society.
- American Citizens of Latino descent are accused of treachery for being part of an assumed "invasion".
- Democrats are said to "hate America" and to cheer terrorism.
- Jewish anti-defamation groups are said to be attacking Christianity.
- Democrats (who support Social Security) are socialists.
And now the call is for Civility?
So take your fellow American citizen who you will believe in your heart is willingly destroying the very fabric of America... you will smile and say "hello" even as you deny him the right to marry, or to not be treated unfairly because of his religion
This is civility? Come on. This is unabashed hypocrisy.
This cracks me up almost as much as when (a little while ago) you had conservatives complaining about "politics of personal destruction".
If you read Buchanan's book, you will understand even better how ridiculous this call for civility is coming from conservatives.
Yeah right.
Re: So this woman sits next to me on the Red Line...
ebrown_p wrote:I am riding on the Red Line (the subway line that passes through Cambridge Massachusetts) reading "State of Emergency" by Patrick Buchanan which I received as a Christmas gift.
The 30ish professional-looking woman next to me turns to me and says "that's a great book, isn't it?".
I ask (somewhat incredulously) "have you read it?".
"Not yet" she says "but I think Pat Buchannan is great".
"I don't" I replied "I think Buchanan is a complete wack job and this book is utter bullshit".
"So why are you reading it?" she retorted, looking somewhat hurt.
"I want to understand how people can be so stupid to swallow this nonsense." I answered.
She went back to the normal commuter behavior of staring just above the person across from her, and I went back to reading.
I find a similar "code of silence" on the SF Muni trains, but it doesn't apply to flirting, but that usually requires eye contact however, in this case, she must have seen a perfect opening.
You should have just told her to bugger off as you are happily married!
I also want to point out that I am angry with Conservatives right now-- and with good reason. They are attacking the very things I value in the most vicious of ways.
Yeah I was rude with this woman in a face to face interaction. But that is who I am.
I expect that many conservatives would have done the same... and I am OK with that.
Eh! The woman behind me in Costco had the Obama book in her pile of stuff and I said, "Oh, they have the Obama book." She said, yes, I'm getting it for my mother. I said, how much was it? She said, not bad, (something like 13.99). I said, that's reasonable.
I wasn't flirting with her. I was interested that it was in a stack at Costco.
(Not to deny that ebrown may be a cutie.)
ossobuco wrote:Eh! The woman behind me in Costco had the Obama book in her pile of stuff and I said, "Oh, they have the Obama book." She said, yes, I'm getting it for my mother. I said, how much was it? She said, not bad, (something like 13.99). I said, that's reasonable.
I wasn't flirting with her. I was interested that it was in a stack at Costco.
(Not to deny that ebrown may be a cutie.)
There is no code of silence in the Costco line!
Let me tell you all a story bout a guy named Brownie and that tragic and fateful time,
He put two bucks in his pocket, kissed his wife and baby and took a ride on the old Red Line...
ebrown_p wrote:I am sorry Tico et. al.... but this is a bit hard to take.
Conservatives (including Pat Buchanan and those on this very forum) vilify vast numbers of people. This vilification is not just on this forum, but in real life.
- Homosexuals are accused of wanting to destroy society.
- American Citizens of Latino descent are accused of treachery for being part of an assumed "invasion".
- Democrats are said to "hate America" and to cheer terrorism.
- Jewish anti-defamation groups are said to be attacking Christianity.
- Democrats (who support Social Security) are socialists.
And now the call is for Civility?
So take your fellow American citizen who you will believe in your heart is willingly destroying the very fabric of America... you will smile and say "hello" even as you deny him the right to marry, or to not be treated unfairly because of his religion
This is civility? Come on. This is unabashed hypocrisy.
This cracks me up almost as much as when (a little while ago) you had conservatives complaining about "politics of personal destruction".
If you read Buchanan's book, you will understand even better how ridiculous this call for civility is coming from conservatives.
Yeah right.
What a crock of turds. You're a cad and proud of it. No need to defend your churlish behavior on this thread. You were apparently taught by your mother that the appropriate way to act toward a stranger is to be a boor. (Apologies to your mother if she taught you better than that.)
This discussion is simply about common manners ... appropriate personal behavior that is usually learned at an early age. This is not about politics. You might have disagreed with her political views, but I don't agree that it necessarily follows that you must be an ass or else be a hypocrite. You choose to be rude, that is the long and short of it.
Was ebrown really rude? I'll have to go back and read the post again. I don't think so. Or not inapproriately so. Will check it out again.
ossobuco wrote:Was ebrown really rude? I'll have to go back and read the post again. I don't think so. Or not inapproriately so. Will check it out again.
Well it's all relative, isn't it osso? To me he was rude. He seems to admit that he was rude, but thinks he needs to be rude else be a hypocrite, and anyway he's mad at Conservatives. "Civility is for the shallow."
In the meantime, I'm thinking, Kingston Trio...
OK, no, having reread the first post, ebrown didn't insult her directly. Said what he thought after she said what she thought. Fine.
It didn't engage her in conversation, which some palaver like "yadda yadda" might have, but what were the chances, in any case, of a real conversation.
I've had some real conversations on, of all places, airport buses.... almost look forward to them. It's possible.
Ticomaya wrote:LoneStarMadam wrote: I'll tell you what i really think, I don't believe that brown was reading that book & for sure didn't say that to a complete stranger if he was reading it, nobody is that dumb.
Well, it
was a woman. He might not have had the cojones to be that rude to a man.
True. Another thing I believe about this farce of a story is, brown needs his
fix of illegal alien defense so he made up this story to get it started.
ossobuco wrote:OK, no, having reread the first post, ebrown didn't insult her directly. Said what he thought after she said what she thought. Fine.
It didn't engage her in conversation, which some palaver like "yadda yadda" might have, but what were the chances, in any case, of a real conversation.
I don't think we need to delve into a detailed discussion about the finer points of his conversation to decide whether he insulted her directly. I think he was rude, and he admits he was rude. It's who he is.
ebrown wrote:Yeah I was rude with this woman in a face to face interaction. But that is who I am.
osso wrote:I've had some real conversations on, of all places, airport buses.... almost look forward to them. It's possible.
I had a real conversation on a ski lift 4 days ago. It's easy to do if you have the right attitude.
ebrown_p wrote:I also want to point out that I am angry with Conservatives right now-- and with good reason. They are attacking the very things I value in the most vicious of ways.
Yeah I was rude with this woman in a face to face interaction. But that is who I am.
I expect that many conservatives would have done the same... and I am OK with that.
You're angry with conservatives
right now?
ROTFLMAO
So you made up some cock'n bull story to draw conservatives out?
I wish I liked liberals enough to get angry with them, but I don't, they're more like gnats than anything, just pesky.
I'll agree he shut off a channel of further talk, with that particular woman.
(Who has probably dwelled on this and will have a riposte next time she sees him....)
