Gun Control

I do not recognize a whole lot of political absolutes; the second ammendment is one of the handfull, along with freedom of speech and a couple of things like that.

Statics are meaningless in such a case and there is no statistical argument which anybody could make which would have any impact. By the time you got to the number of deaths it would take to make most Americans even consider getting rid of the second ammendment, civilization would be gone anyhow and the point would be mute.

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gunga wrote
the point would be mute.
you gotta love gunga.

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'least he didn't write it in dayglo blue.....

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The word is moot, isn't it... Comes from doing three or four things at once and typing a word I use about once every three years, sorry.

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gungasnake wrote:

The word is moot, isn't it... Comes from doing three or four things at once and typing a word I use about once every three years, sorry.

and using the word "moot" in total error comes from ignorance.

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gungasnake wrote:

... there is no statistical argument which anybody could make which would have any impact ...

"Don't try to confuse me with facts; my mind's made up"

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Like I say, the only really meaningful stat on the question is death due to government monopoly of weapons between the United States and places like Nazi Germany and/or the Soviet Union. The score is zero to tens of millions. I prefer being on the zero side of that one.

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snood wrote:

'least he didn't write it in dayglo blue.....

U politically correct types r abnormally fixated on colors.

I wonder what Freud wud say about that ?

David

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timberlandko wrote:

gungasnake wrote:
... there is no statistical argument which anybody could make which would have any impact ...

"Don't try to confuse me with facts; my mind's made up"

Gunga is RIGHT.
Statistics have NO EFFECT on the Supreme Law of the Land.

Our rights remain intact REGARDLESS
( until there is another amendment to the Constitution that voids our freedom )
because THAT is the original deal that was made and brought government into being.

If timberlandko had more facts ( about the Bill of Rights )
then he 'd be able to make up his mind,
based upon an informed decision.

Timber 's position is like saying that if we don 't get enuf of a
statistical turnout on Election Day,
then we can just forget about elections in the future,
or if statistically insufficient people read newspapers,
then we can just forget about the First Amendment.
That is NOT the deal that was made.

David

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

snood wrote:

'least he didn't write it in dayglo blue.....

U politically correct types r abnormally fixated on colors.

I wonder what Freud wud say about that ?

David

Freud was drug-addled and delusional, and a perfect role model for you.

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It's the age old argument of government interventionism (perceived or real) versus individual freedom (perceived or real). But in pragmatic terms it's well recognized that many personal firearms are used in an irresponsible / illegal manner thus causing many injuries and deaths.

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Chumly wrote:

It's the age old argument of government interventionism (perceived or real) versus individual freedom (perceived or real). But in pragmatic terms it's well recognized that many personal firearms are used in an irresponsible / illegal manner thus causing many injuries and deaths.

My basic answer to that: So what?

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And your response is presumed to contain substance?

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Chumly wrote:

It's the age old argument of government interventionism (perceived or real) versus individual freedom (perceived or real). But in pragmatic terms it's well recognized that many personal firearms are used in an irresponsible / illegal manner thus causing many injuries and deaths.

That 's like saying that the cronies of Chrisofer Columbus
told him that it was WELL RECOGNIZED that the world is flat.
David

" Flatulence in a spacesuit is no picnic. "
Does that mean that flatulent astronauts
shud become space nudists ?

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People from other places can get a sort of a look at the American attitude towards weapons by doing a google search on the Greek term 'Molon Labe'...

http://www.outdoorsunlimited.net/~jpic/gun17.htm

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

That 's like saying that the cronies of Chrisofer Columbus told him that it was WELL RECOGNIZED that the world is flat.

If you are now saying you disagree that "many personal firearms are used in an irresponsible / illegal manner thus causing many injuries and deaths", you would need to provide an alternate plausible explanation for the large number of shootings in the US each year.

Naughty ghosts pulled the triggers?
God materialized the speeding bullets to punish heathens?
The bullets shot out of Rhino anuses while crowds gathered at the zoo?

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Chumly wrote:

And your response is presumed to contain substance?

It DOES.

Neither perceptions nor anything being recognized ( well or ill )
have any effect on a citizen 's natural right
and constitutional right ( in America ) to self-defense
David.

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Chumly wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
That 's like saying that the cronies of Chrisofer Columbus told him that it was WELL RECOGNIZED that the world is flat.

If you are now saying you disagree that "many personal firearms are used in an irresponsible / illegal manner thus causing many injuries and deaths", you would need to provide an alternate plausible explanation for the large number of shootings in the US each year.

Naughty ghosts pulled the triggers?
God materialized the speeding bullets to punish heathens?
The bullets shot out of Rhino anuses while crowds gathered at the zoo?

Let 's try it this way :

Ted Kennedy is an impassioned opponent
of freedom of self-defense and of possession of guns by free citizens.
According to him,
there r 80,000,000 gun owners in America.
Many of us own multiple guns.

Out of all of those guns,
only the tiniest fraction of 1% have ever caused any personal injury,
nor been employed in crime.

Repressionists want to remove guns,
saying they are sometimes used to facilitate crime.
They fail to understand that the actual weapon is the HUMAN MIND,
whose cleverness has not been controlled nor restrained (even in prison).
This mind expresses itself perseveringly, into the manifestation of its felt needs or desires,
and it has FOREVER to do the job that it selects
(e.g., the art of the gunsmith/merchant). Prohibition is futile.
David

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OmSigDAVID wrote:

Prohibition is futile.
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In America...where the human mind is somehow...different?......to other places where prohibition is successful?

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Eorl wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
Prohibition is futile.
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In America...where the human mind is somehow...different?......to other places where prohibition is successful?

I hope that u can prove me rong.

That wud be good; encouraging,
but my sense is that America is one of very few places
where individual freedom is the paramount consideration.

( Maybe Switzerland )
David

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