Carter Refuses to Debate Dershowitz

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Enemies of Israel are enemies of the USA ...

Or if Bush debated Ahmadinejad, it would be the leaders of two democracies facing off.


Joe(next Hugo Chavez)Nation

Do you honestly believe that anything of worth would come out of a debate like that? Wouldn't it be legitimizing Ahmadinejad?

That's probably what Carter thought. Yeah. He probably thought, "Hey, why should I debate Dershowitz? Do you honestly believe that anything of worth would come out of a debate like that? Wouldn't it be legitimizing

Dershowitz?"

Dershowitz has more chance defending OJ Simpson and torture than he does the Apartheid Wall.

[Because it is an attack on Isreal. The Palestinnians don't want peace with Isreal, they want Israel & have said as much both in actions & words. Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted. Carter had to know that, yet he still blasts Israel & writes as though the Palestinnians are these poor rag tag bunch of people. If Carter doesn't know better than that then he has no business writing or speaking to it. Or if he does, then it should be put down to the ramblings of an old senile man that has his best days behind him, in mind, at least.

CI...the trump card in this debate is anti-Semitism. Whether they pull it from the top, middle, or bottom of the deck, it's always ready for play.

If one paints Israel as anything less than the victim, they are an anti-Semite and lumped in with Ahmadinejad and Hitler.

" Dosn't Israel have the right to protect itself by any means necessary?" No more than the Palestinians. How many Palestinians live in houses that used belong to Israelis? How many Israelis live in houses that once belonged to Palestinians?

LoneStarMadam wrote:

[Because it is an attack on Isreal. The Palestinnians don't want peace with Isreal, they want Israel & have said as much both in actions & words. Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted. Carter had to know that, yet he still blasts Israel & writes as though the Palestinnians are these poor rag tag bunch of people. If Carter doesn't know better than that then he has no business writing or speaking to it. Or if he does, then it should be put down to the ramblings of an old senile man that has his best days behind him, in mind, at least.

What makes you so sure the Israelis really want peace with the Palestinians? Apart from occasional rhetoric I see nothing in the history of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territory in the former West Bank to suggest they want anything remotely like it.

Israel has held the West bank & Gaza under various forms of military occupation since 1967 -- 39 years! . Throughout it has been clear that Israel intended to incorporate all or part of that territory into Israel itself. They built military fortifications and bases, settlements for Jewish immigrants and a network of limited acess roads connecting the Jewish settlements and military facilities - and isolating the Palestinian property and settlements cut off by them. They took control of the airspace over the West Bank and controlled the flow and distribution of water (important in that arid region). However, they never granted any political rights, including that of dae process of law to the Palestinian owners and inhabitants of that land. It is one thing to conquer a territory and its people and then to undertake to govern both. Israel has done far worse -- it has conquered a territory and then attempted to strangle the economic and political life of its inhabitants - to take their land and drive them out.

I am disappointed to see that you too are a credulous victim of the great lie put forward by Israel and seconded by the Clinton Administration and Israeli supporters in America - namely that Barak offered, and Arafat refused to accept, the generous offer of 95% of the territory of the West Bank as a Palestinian homeland and State. The truth is the offer comprised about 40% of the territory of the West Bank, and that divided into about 30 disjoint areas, each surrounded by Israeli controlled territory. This new Palestinian "State" would consist of 30+ distinct elements that could communicate with one another only with Israeli permission and which would have no border with any state other than Israel. This supposed "state" would exercise no control of the airspace above it or the water flowing through it. This offer was a very cynical and hypocritical act designed to make the Palestinians the perpetual serfs in an Israeli state. Arafat was right to reject it. The amazing element in all this is the credulous acceptance of this lie by the American media.

I prefer to be "not with them antisemites, and believe Carter over Dershowitz - 24/7."

georgeob1 wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

[Because it is an attack on Isreal. The Palestinnians don't want peace with Isreal, they want Israel & have said as much both in actions & words. Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted. Carter had to know that, yet he still blasts Israel & writes as though the Palestinnians are these poor rag tag bunch of people. If Carter doesn't know better than that then he has no business writing or speaking to it. Or if he does, then it should be put down to the ramblings of an old senile man that has his best days behind him, in mind, at least.

What makes you so sure the Israelis really want peace with the Palestinians? Apart from occasional rhetoric I see nothing in the history of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territory in the former West Bank to suggest they want anything remotely like it.

Israel has held the West bank & Gaza under various forms of military occupation since 1967 -- 39 years! . Throughout it has been clear that Israel intended to incorporate all or part of that territory into Israel itself. They built military fortifications and bases, settlements for Jewish immigrants and a network of limited acess roads connecting the Jewish settlements and military facilities - and isolating the Palestinian property and settlements cut off by them. They took control of the airspace over the West Bank and controlled the flow and distribution of water (important in that arid region). However, they never granted any political rights, including that of dae process of law to the Palestinian owners and inhabitants of that land. It is one thing to conquer a territory and its people and then to undertake to govern both. Israel has done far worse -- it has conquered a territory and then attempted to strangle the economic and political life of its inhabitants - to take their land and drive them out.

I am disappointed to see that you too are a credulous victim of the great lie put forward by Israel and seconded by the Clinton Administration and Israeli supporters in America - namely that Barak offered, and Arafat refused to accept, the generous offer of 95% of the territory of the West Bank as a Palestinian homeland and State. The truth is the offer comprised about 40% of the territory of the West Bank, and that divided into about 30 disjoint areas, each surrounded by Israeli controlled territory. This new Palestinian "State" would consist of 30+ distinct elements that could communicate with one another only with Israeli permission and which would have no border with any state other than Israel. This supposed "state" would exercise no control of the airspace above it or the water flowing through it. This offer was a very cynical and hypocritical act designed to make the Palestinians the perpetual serfs in an Israeli state. Arafat was right to reject it. The amazing element in all this is the credulous acceptance of this lie by the American media.

The Palestinians original homeland is Jordan, not Israel.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

georgeob1 wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

[Because it is an attack on Isreal. The Palestinnians don't want peace with Isreal, they want Israel & have said as much both in actions & words. Arafat was offered 95% of what he wanted. Carter had to know that, yet he still blasts Israel & writes as though the Palestinnians are these poor rag tag bunch of people. If Carter doesn't know better than that then he has no business writing or speaking to it. Or if he does, then it should be put down to the ramblings of an old senile man that has his best days behind him, in mind, at least.

What makes you so sure the Israelis really want peace with the Palestinians? Apart from occasional rhetoric I see nothing in the history of the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territory in the former West Bank to suggest they want anything remotely like it.

Israel has held the West bank & Gaza under various forms of military occupation since 1967 -- 39 years! . Throughout it has been clear that Israel intended to incorporate all or part of that territory into Israel itself. They built military fortifications and bases, settlements for Jewish immigrants and a network of limited acess roads connecting the Jewish settlements and military facilities - and isolating the Palestinian property and settlements cut off by them. They took control of the airspace over the West Bank and controlled the flow and distribution of water (important in that arid region). However, they never granted any political rights, including that of dae process of law to the Palestinian owners and inhabitants of that land. It is one thing to conquer a territory and its people and then to undertake to govern both. Israel has done far worse -- it has conquered a territory and then attempted to strangle the economic and political life of its inhabitants - to take their land and drive them out.

I am disappointed to see that you too are a credulous victim of the great lie put forward by Israel and seconded by the Clinton Administration and Israeli supporters in America - namely that Barak offered, and Arafat refused to accept, the generous offer of 95% of the territory of the West Bank as a Palestinian homeland and State. The truth is the offer comprised about 40% of the territory of the West Bank, and that divided into about 30 disjoint areas, each surrounded by Israeli controlled territory. This new Palestinian "State" would consist of 30+ distinct elements that could communicate with one another only with Israeli permission and which would have no border with any state other than Israel. This supposed "state" would exercise no control of the airspace above it or the water flowing through it. This offer was a very cynical and hypocritical act designed to make the Palestinians the perpetual serfs in an Israeli state. Arafat was right to reject it. The amazing element in all this is the credulous acceptance of this lie by the American media.

The Palestinians original homeland is Jordan, not Israel.

The Jews original homeland was Egypt, not Israel, either.

Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

The Palestinians original homeland is Jordan, not Israel.

The Jews original homeland was Egypt, not Israel, either.

Cycloptichorn

Egypt is Israels homeland the same way that the US is blacks homeland.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

The Palestinians original homeland is Jordan, not Israel.

The Jews original homeland was Egypt, not Israel, either.

Cycloptichorn

Egypt is Israels homeland the same way that the US is blacks homeland.

or the same way the United States is the homeland for everyone of European descent living there now.

The Palestinians original homeland is Jordan, not Israel.