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Ut Oh, Could Nancy Be Facing....

 
 
LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 12:49 pm
Setanta wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
I grew up under Pelosi's dad's reign in Baltimore. She comes from a very poliically astute family. Sure, she will suffer growing pains as she assumes command but I would not underestimate her. She is one tough cookie.

I can't imagine that she won't shine especially when compared to her predecessor.


Remember,once she takes over then you can no longer compare her to her predecessor.

Once the dems take over congress,anything the repubs did or didnt do is history and not to be used for comparison .

Those are the rules that many of the left on here set,so you have to abide by them also.


If that is "the rule," why do conservatives continually bring up "Slick Willy" whenever Bush is criticized? I consider your claim to be knowingly disingenuous.

It's the hypocricy. Not a lot that any repub can do that BC hasn't done & his supporters kept silent & in fact, defended & encouraged him
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 12:50 pm
timberlandko wrote:
http://www.binarystorage.net/clients/flashbunny/pics/limoliberal.jpg

Time for another facelift, nancy.... on both of her faces.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 01:14 pm
Setanta wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
I grew up under Pelosi's dad's reign in Baltimore. She comes from a very poliically astute family. Sure, she will suffer growing pains as she assumes command but I would not underestimate her. She is one tough cookie.

I can't imagine that she won't shine especially when compared to her predecessor.


Remember,once she takes over then you can no longer compare her to her predecessor.

Once the dems take over congress,anything the repubs did or didnt do is history and not to be used for comparison .

Those are the rules that many of the left on here set,so you have to abide by them also.


If that is "the rule," why do conservatives continually bring up "Slick Willy" whenever Bush is criticized? I consider your claim to be knowingly disingenuous.


That is exactly my point!!
Whenever a repub or a conservative mentioned anything about Clinton,many of you on the left said we couldnt mention him because since he wasnt in office he didnt matter.
You all claimed that since Bush was elected everything that happened was his fault and Clinton didnt matter.

So,using the same argument,once Pelosi becomes speaker and the dems take over,the previous powers that be in congress dont matter and since they arent in office nothing that happens is their fault.

So,if those were your rules regarding mentioning Clinton,then those are the same rules regarding mentioning the repub leaders in congress once the dems take over.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 01:24 pm
You're not very good with rhetoric, are you, MM?

When you state that "You all claimed"--you're constructing a strawman, unless and until you can prove your statement true. Basically, you're peddling bullshit here, and the more so since i haven't the least doubt that people around here will trot out the "oh yeah, what about Clinton ? ! ? ! ?" bullshit again and again.

Really poor effort on your part, MM.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 01:32 pm
Setanta wrote:
You're not very good with rhetoric, are you, MM?

When you state that "You all claimed"--you're constructing a strawman, unless and until you can prove your statement true. Basically, you're peddling bullshit here, and the more so since i haven't the least doubt that people around here will trot out the "oh yeah, what about Clinton ? ! ? ! ?" bullshit again and again.

Really poor effort on your part, MM.


I am just reiterating the rules that many on the left went by.

Many on the left claimed that nothing that happened after Bush was sworn in was Clintons fault,and he shouldnt be mentioned.

So,nothing that happens after Pelosi is Hasterts fault and he and the rest of the repub leaders in congress today can be mentioned or blamed for anything,once Pelosi is sworn in.

Are you now saying that the rules many on the left claimed now arent important or valid?
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 01:35 pm
It boils down to hypocricy.
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Monte Cargo
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 02:24 pm
username wrote:
There is some goddamned key near the SHIFT key that, if you hit it by mistake when typing an answer, your whole answer disappears, and I just hit it again for the third time to my knowledge while I've been on a2k and all three paragraphs vanished AGAIN.

If that happens to you again, try hitting the Ctrl-Z combination of keys, which triggers and undo function. Your work will most likely re-appear. I too have become completely frustrated when losing my work. Usually it happens when a reply doesn't post right away and I hit the back button.
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I reiterate, MC, you and Spectator have shown absolutely no link except that a few thousand people marched and two specific people were somewher in that parade. There is NO evidence cited of any other link between them that I can see. And I also strongly suspect thqat you have zero experience of any actual parade, especially ones involving politicians. If you did, you would realize that bitter enemies can march in the same parade, and they can ceaselessly jockey for prime position, even as they hate each other'g uts. And most of the people in most parades have no idea who most of the people surrounding them are, let alone what the specifics of their political positions might be. Other than a few recognizable faces, everyone's marching in, mostly, anonymity. If that's the best connection you can come up with, I've rarely seen a weaker case.

While your statement is true on its face, (and it is true on its face), the marching of Nancy Pelosi in a parade signals "Hey, I support this! I march in the parade. I'm in accordance with your values." No doubt, that as the representative for the San Francisco Bay area with its large gay population, Pelosi was most likely marching to court the gay vote. Nancy Pelosi herself is a heterosexual woman in a traditional marriage.

I am aware that the ACLU has defended the KKK and even offered to defend Rush Limbaugh. What is also true is that the bulkhead of the ACLU is preoccupied taking up for the pro-sectarian forces whose agenda it is to guarantee the free speech of NAMBLA, abolish "Merry Christmas" as a safe slogan for the government and businesses, and eradicate symbols of religious worship wherever they may be (unless they are Moslem).

By Polosi's accepting money from the ACLU and supporting a larger group that houses NAMBLA, Polosi has an association by default with NAMBLA.

The KKK/republican argument doesn't hold much water and with Robert Byrd, a bonafide ex-KKK member now turned senator, the dems are the party with the closest association with that organization. KKK is all pretty old-hat anyway. After all, we are in the 21st Century.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 02:30 pm
pssst

you may be correct about everything else in that post, but including Set in

mysteryman wrote:
many of you on the left


is beyond funny.

He may share some opinions with some people who may be considered to be left of far right (not even left of centre), but you can't stretch the definition of left enough to include Setanta. The fella's just not there.
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Monte Cargo
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 02:35 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
username wrote:
You go, Lady Wabbit. Shocking, isn't it, and an indictment of the educational system in Texas, that someone apparently from the Lone Star State, one assumes, could indict you and try to denigrate your credentials for your entirely Classically correct spelling of pAEdophile, direct transliteration of the Greek root, as in archAEology, or AEneas and the AEneid. ah, parochialism.
Pssst. Your indictment of the educational system in Texas, based on one person's shortcomings is just about as silly.

Not to mention her erroneous assumption about the location of my schooling.

Let me illustrate just how ironic this is.

Several posters join the chatter to defend Nancy Pelosi from charges that she supports pedophiliacs. The background for charging Pelosi with this is that she marches a few feet from a NAMBLA celebrita in a gay pride parade, and she takes campaign payola from the ACLU who are defending NAMBLA. For that, all of these posters call names, denigrate our intelligence, and tell us that we're crazy.

But...

Poster LoneStarMadame conveys a strong message that she comes from Texas. I state views that are similar to LoneStar's on this thread. Now here comes the funny part:

These same posters that have been crying, railing, protesting and whining that Pelosi shouldn't be associated with NAMBLA are the same posters that not only assume Monte Cargo comes from Texas simply because LoneStarMadame might be from Texas, but then go on to slam Texas institutions.

Can you people be any sillier? Laughing Confused
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Monte Cargo
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 03:15 pm
What's in the spelling of a word?
dlowan wrote:

You know, the type you would like to see if someone accused you and yours of this stuff. EVIDENCE, not malevolent and bigoted (I assume you to be honophobic? If not, PROVE it...after all, you slime with the homophobes...and your standard of proof is slime and innuendo, not any actual evidence...) and irrational libel and slander. Evidence.

No, I don't believe I am honophobic. I believe you meant to spell the word homophobic. You are a very sloppy speller.

But, I do apologize for railing you on your particular alternate spelling of the word pedophile and any inferences I made that stemmed from your spelling of the word.

Let's move beyond words, shall we?

The intensity and vitriol of your replies belies something strange. I will say that your unnatural level of overkill and zeal to defend Nancy Pelosi and rush to call anyone a homophobe who thinks otherwise about Pelosi is very curious to me.

I don't condemn gay people, but I believe that there is a higher statistical likelihood of buggery, concerning promiscuity and breaching boundaries of various types among gays than there is among heteros. Perhaps one solution is to provde a safe means for gay people to exist in society so that they are not so freaked out and secretive that they resort to much of the strange behavior. But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? A society that promotes, as a cornerstone, pedophilia is not a healthy society, by most people's standards. Perhaps the propensity for perversion is an incorrigible component of many of society's gays and the preferred course is to protect the vulnerable.

This is where you come in.

In my feeble mind, the gateway is much weaker between protection and exposure to vulnerable children, from a guardian who champions a leader who supports the advancement of special rights for gay groups like NAMBLA. I would be much more understanding of these strong sentiments if the poster had stated that their job is along the lines of protecting gay rights than I understand the abnormally intense sentiments of your recent posts from anyone claiming themself to be and advocate of children's rights.

I can understand a reasoned approach to this discussion, but to revere Polosi practically to the point of Messiah worship does not jibe well with being part of the child protection field. As the protector of children, your top order is to ferret out the dangers in policymakers, with respect to the consequences that their policies might have on vulnerable children. I seriously question the judgement of anyone who radically defends and poo-poos any association Polosi has with these fringe nut groups like NAMBLA that are up for wrongful death suits. Condoning groups that have more likelihood of preying on children is not good for children.
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Monte Cargo
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 03:25 pm
Setanta wrote:
You're not very good with rhetoric, are you, MM?

When you state that "You all claimed"--you're constructing a strawman, unless and until you can prove your statement true. Basically, you're peddling bullshit here, and the more so since i haven't the least doubt that people around here will trot out the "oh yeah, what about Clinton ? ! ? ! ?" bullshit again and again.

Really poor effort on your part, MM.

Clinton may get unfairly drawn in some of the time, but after all, he happens to be the last president and so many Clintonites criticize Bush for behavior that they tolerated and even supported when Clinton was in office. I believe that many posters invoke a classic double standard. Eh-Beth defends that you are not on the left, and perhaps you are not, but it seems that you do convey the impression of being defensive around Clinton. When a legitimate comparison is drawn, you dismiss legitimate arguments as bullshit.

Why is it bullshit for someone to point out when someone criticizes Bush for doing the same things that Clinton did?

Also, rather than constructing a straw man, I believe MM was referring to Bush bashers, as in people who blamed GWB and the republican legislature for everything that happened to this country that they didn't like. These are not strawmen, Setanta, these are millions of people.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 03:43 pm
Reyes Nomination Sends "Strong New Signal" That Pelosi-Led Congress Will Confront Bush On Iraq... link
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 04:50 pm
Why didn't Nancy nominate Jane Harmon? What happened to theglass ceiling that the feminists said they were having a hard tome breaking?
Nancy had a chance to further leadership roles for women & what does the resort hopping, hireing non union workers, multi millionaire do? She passes the chance. I trust we won't be hearing anymore about that infamous glass ceiling, right?
Harmon has more experience than either Reyes or Hastings, yet she was passed over.
Now far be it from me to spread rumors, but Susan Estrich, of the Mike Dukakis campain, said today that the reason nancy did not appoint Harmon is because Nancy doesn't want another strong female in the forefront. Estrich also said (on FNC) that nancy has literally counted the number of times that Harmon has been on TV compared to her own few, in comparison to Harmons appearances.
Boils down to petty jealousy, IMO.
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Monte Cargo
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 04:59 pm
On issues like gender and raced base issues, the democrats talk a good talk, but they don't walk like they talk.

Pelosi doesn't want any competition.

Frankly I'm sick of democrats and their tireless lament about republicans victimizing women and minorities. The Bush administration has done more hiring of minority high level cabinet posts than any previous administration. The elder Bush appointed the first black to the USSC.

The public is finally getting wise to the big lie the democrats tell.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:08 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Setanta wrote:
You're not very good with rhetoric, are you, MM?

When you state that "You all claimed"--you're constructing a strawman, unless and until you can prove your statement true. Basically, you're peddling bullshit here, and the more so since i haven't the least doubt that people around here will trot out the "oh yeah, what about Clinton ? ! ? ! ?" bullshit again and again.

Really poor effort on your part, MM.


I am just reiterating the rules that many on the left went by.

Many on the left claimed that nothing that happened after Bush was sworn in was Clintons fault,and he shouldnt be mentioned.

So,nothing that happens after Pelosi is Hasterts fault and he and the rest of the repub leaders in congress today can be mentioned or blamed for anything,once Pelosi is sworn in.

Are you now saying that the rules many on the left claimed now arent important or valid?


As i've said, this is a truly poor rhetorical effort on your part.

First, you have a "have you stopped beating your wife" question at the end of your post. I have no reason to assume that anyone "on the left" has "claimed" that there are any such rules. Responding to your witlessly framed rhetorical question would accept the premise--and i don't.

There has been no "rule" at all concerning what can or ought to be mentioned in debate. Some people, whom you are pleased to refer to as "on the left," have pointed out the absurdity of bringing up Clinton when the discussion concerns what the Shrub has done. This is perfectly reasonable. If the topic of the discussion is Iraq, remarks about Clinton are non-sequiturs. No one has necessarily said Clinton shouldn't be mentioned, but have only pointed out how idiotic it is to bring up Clinton when the discussion concerns events over which he had no control.

Finally, the silliest part of your thesis is that even after the new Congress has been sworn in, the Shrub is still the squatter at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. He will still be responsible for the decisions of the executive branch, so it will continue to be perfectly reasonable to comment on anything idiotic, witless, venal or cynical that he does--and without regard to who holds the office of Speaker of the House of Representatives.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:10 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
username wrote:
You have no case Madam.

I am not bringing a case, just pointing out the obvious. The Dem leaders endorse NAMBLA with their silence.


Lol! Her delusion grows and grows.

Now she slimes the entire democratic party.

One waits in amazement for the next extension of her folly.


Who will it be?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:52 pm
Re: What's in the spelling of a word?
Monte Cargo wrote:
dlowan wrote:

You know, the type you would like to see if someone accused you and yours of this stuff. EVIDENCE, not malevolent and bigoted (I assume you to be honophobic? If not, PROVE it...after all, you slime with the homophobes...and your standard of proof is slime and innuendo, not any actual evidence...) and irrational libel and slander. Evidence.

No, I don't believe I am honophobic. I believe you meant to spell the word homophobic. You are a very sloppy speller.

But, I do apologize for railing you on your particular alternate spelling of the word pedophile and any inferences I made that stemmed from your spelling of the word.

Let's move beyond words, shall we?

The intensity and vitriol of your replies belies something strange. I will say that your unnatural level of overkill and zeal to defend Nancy Pelosi and rush to call anyone a homophobe who thinks otherwise about Pelosi is very curious to me.

I don't condemn gay people, but I believe that there is a higher statistical likelihood of buggery, concerning promiscuity and breaching boundaries of various types among gays than there is among heteros. Perhaps one solution is to provde a safe means for gay people to exist in society so that they are not so freaked out and secretive that they resort to much of the strange behavior. But what comes first, the chicken or the egg? A society that promotes, as a cornerstone, pedophilia is not a healthy society, by most people's standards. Perhaps the propensity for perversion is an incorrigible component of many of society's gays and the preferred course is to protect the vulnerable.

This is where you come in.

In my feeble mind, the gateway is much weaker between protection and exposure to vulnerable children, from a guardian who champions a leader who supports the advancement of special rights for gay groups like NAMBLA. I would be much more understanding of these strong sentiments if the poster had stated that their job is along the lines of protecting gay rights than I understand the abnormally intense sentiments of your recent posts from anyone claiming themself to be and advocate of children's rights.

I can understand a reasoned approach to this discussion, but to revere Polosi practically to the point of Messiah worship does not jibe well with being part of the child protection field. As the protector of children, your top order is to ferret out the dangers in policymakers, with respect to the consequences that their policies might have on vulnerable children. I seriously question the judgement of anyone who radically defends and poo-poos any association Polosi has with these fringe nut groups like NAMBLA that are up for wrongful death suits. Condoning groups that have more likelihood of preying on children is not good for children.



You are defending LSM's baseless sliming of one she considers to be an opponent.

My calling you homophobic was an illustration of what you are defending..ie a baseless accusation. However, you DO appear to be so, unless you can give some properly researched evidence re your assertions about increased boundary breaches and increased paedophilia amongst gays. (Your charges of increased promiscuity and buggery I note as simply evidence that you have prejudices....I assume you do not like these things equally in heterosexuals, or do you only cavil at them in gays??? However, whatever your beliefs, how do you equate promiscuity and buggery between consenting adults with child abuse?)

It is certainly a common prejudice, and one often used by bigots to shore up their bigotry, and one often repeated by the more bigoted here, though I have never seen a single one of them come up with any evidence, and it is not borne out in my experience with paedophiles (which admittedly is anecdotal although reasonably extensive). Eg, the kiddy porn sites feature hapless little girls as much as they do little girls, or so the police whi take them down tell me; As far as we know, many more little girls than little boys are still being sexually abused.

Of course, the data re this stuff is, by its very nature, highly suspect, as it relies on discovery, disclosure by kids, and post fact disclosure by adults.

Paedophile rings are hard to break up, especially now that they have become so adept at using the web.....however, again, the ones here which HAVE been seem to feature mass exploitation of girls AND boys.



However, for you to make such an assertion requires you to have evidence, or to withdraw it.

(By the way, since you are determined to cast spelling stones, did you catch your spelling error in the very post where you made such a showing of your ignorance of spelling in your attack on mine?)

Once again, you remain determinedly stuck on your anti Pelosi thing AND on your anti gay stuff.

Your argument is that she supports "special" rights for gays. What special rights does she champion? Give me ONE "special" right she champions...one not afforded to hetersosexuals.

What I imagine she supports, unless and until you can give me a "special" right, is normal civil rights such as are extended to heterosexuals.

You then make a very strange leap to some sort of assertion that Pelosi is less likely to protect children based on a series of prejudices you hold. Well, I am sure your beliefs are fixed, but I doubt you will induce anything but amazed amusement from anyone not similarly prejudiced with such an extraordinarily ill founded argument.

Given that the great majority of abused kids I work with have been abused by heterosexual men, I could as well construct the argument that anyone supporting special rights for heterosexuals (which anyone attempting to deny civil rights for gays is in fact doing) is far less likely to protect children, given the heterosexual male's propensity for child abuse. By this equally founded argument, that means YOU, and certainly LSM, are a damn worry should you ever reach positions of influence.

My vitriol indicating something strange? Is this a more subtle attempt to slime someone who disagrees with you with some nameless perversion? Why not come out from the sliming shadows and name it?

When a slimer like LSM makes the accusation of someone supporting child abuse it DOES get over my threshold of tolerance, and I respond at her level.

Do you have no concern about such baseless accusations? What if we posted such a thing about Bush? Would you have no sense of a concerning cheapening of an already debased discourse? Do you have no care for the seriousness of such charges?

I would, on the evidence, say no, only if it affects your side, as I have seen you contort yourself here to defend the sliming.


Sigh. I am getting bored with rebutting your very silly "arguments".

I have little knowledge of Pelosi, and neither revere nor condemn her, nor do you have any evidence of my attitude towards her, only of my attitude towards those who slime their opponents with such unfounded libel.



Do you see the extraordinary logical contortions you then make? You have made no case that she supports Nambla, but, taking your totally unfounded belief that she does, plus your similarly unfounded belief that I fanatically support her, you then attempt to slime me with an accusation that I similarly support child abuse.


You are some piece of work.


Are all you rposts here similarly attempts to slime constructed of prejudice, falsities, and chains of faulty logic?
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:55 pm
dlowan wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
username wrote:
You have no case Madam.

I am not bringing a case, just pointing out the obvious. The Dem leaders endorse NAMBLA with their silence.


Lol! Her delusion grows and grows.

Now she slimes the entire democratic party.

One waits in amazement for the next extension of her folly.


Who will it be?

What part of Dem leaders do you not understand?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:57 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
dlowan wrote:
LoneStarMadam wrote:
username wrote:
You have no case Madam.

I am not bringing a case, just pointing out the obvious. The Dem leaders endorse NAMBLA with their silence.


Lol! Her delusion grows and grows.

Now she slimes the entire democratic party.

One waits in amazement for the next extension of her folly.


Who will it be?

What part of Dem leaders do you not understand?



You need to condemn the Martians now, dear. I haven't heard THEM condemn paedophilia.
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LoneStarMadam
 
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Reply Sat 2 Dec, 2006 05:58 pm
LoneStarMadam wrote:
Why didn't Nancy nominate Jane Harmon? What happened to theglass ceiling that the feminists said they were having a hard tome breaking?
Nancy had a chance to further leadership roles for women & what does the resort hopping, hireing non union workers, multi millionaire do? She passes the chance. I trust we won't be hearing anymore about that infamous glass ceiling, right?
Harmon has more experience than either Reyes or Hastings, yet she was passed over.
Now far be it from me to spread rumors, but Susan Estrich, of the Mike Dukakis campain, said today that the reason nancy did not appoint Harmon is because Nancy doesn't want another strong female in the forefront. Estrich also said (on FNC) that nancy has literally counted the number of times that Harmon has been on TV compared to her own few, in comparison to Harmons appearances.
Boils down to petty jealousy, IMO.

ANybody got any answers? Anybody
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