Ut Oh, Could Nancy Be Facing....

I get the feeling that you don't like Nancy Pelosi too much.

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ebrown_p wrote:

I get the feeling that you don't like Nancy Pelosi too much.

I haven't liked her politics, much too liberal, however, we'll see how she handles being Speaker for ALL Americans, not just liberals.
Aren't you glad that she decided against Alcee? It made me re-think her position just a little.

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I am glad she decided against Alcee.

But I am afraid she won't be liberal enough. After all we are Americans and no one has looked out for us in decades. After all, the conservatives have certainly had their interests well taken care of in the past few years.

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ebrown_p wrote:

I am glad she decided against Alcee.

But I am afraid she won't be liberal enough. After all we are Americans and no one has looked out for us in decades. After all, the conservatives have certainly had their interests well taken care of in the past few years.

Oh believe me, she'll stay liberal/socialist. While i absolutely disagree with liberalism, if she does scoot to the middle, then she isn't really a stand up sort of person & liberals would be better off without her, the rest of the country, mostly MOTRs & conservatives mught fare better.
Bush certainly is not a conservative, there's actually very few in Congress either.

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What you want in the Speaker in the House is someone who can get things done for the base of her party. I think Pelosi is very shrewd. I don't think people with your political views are going to be very happy.

I don't see her as a liberal, but I hope that she sees me (a true liberal) as the base of the Democratic party. In short, she should represent my interests (just as the Republicans have represented the interests of their base by killing the immigration compromise, attacking abortion rights, trying to pass an anti-gay-marriage amendment etc. etc.).

For the record there are a couple of definitions of the word "liberal". I am a "progressive" liberal. To me this means I am not part of the protectionist, isolationist liberals who border on anti-semitism and think Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

My issues are protecting civil rights for all Americans, providing opportunity and protection for the poor, investing in health care and education, and promoting a diverse multicultural society.

I hope the Democrats will stand for these core American values.

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ebrown_p wrote:

What you want in the Speaker in the House is someone who can get things done for the base of her party. I think Pelosi is very shrewd. I don't think people with your political views are going to be very happy.

I don't see her as a liberal, but I hope that she sees me (a true liberal) as the base of the Democratic party. In short, she should represent my interests (just as the Republicans have represented the interests of their base by killing the immigration compromise, attacking abortion rights, trying to pass an anti-gay-marriage amendment etc. etc.).

For the record there are a couple of definitions of the word "liberal". I am a "progressive" liberal. To me this means I am not part of the protectionist, isolationist liberals who border on anti-semitism and think Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

My issues are protecting civil rights for all Americans, providing opportunity and protection for the poor, investing in health care and education, and promoting a diverse multicultural society.

I hope the Democrats will stand for these core American values.

Pelosi is two heartbeats away from the presidency, I want her to do what's right for AMericans, liberal, conservative, Dems & repubs, her base is very questionable. Ever hear of Harry Hay, NAMBLA, there's a connection to Pelosi there. S, liberal? She's over the top. with her social views.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450
She rails agaibst mark Foley for his fondness of young men/boys, (which she should) yet she & Harry Hays....
There's lots more about Pelosi & the unions, other stuff that she lies about too.

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LoneStarMadam wrote:

Her second defeat? Has she bowed to public pressure? Will the black caucus get her? She has decided NOT to name Alcee hastings as committee chairman of Hosue Intelligence. Fox News
A federal judge that had been impeached by Congress should be the chairman of that committe? He was impeached for taking bribes, can you imagine the stuff he could sell if he had that chair? Hmmm, why is he even in Congress? Some more of that most ethical congress in history that Nancy promised?

"THE MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS IN HISTORY" Ha ha. We must watch this play out, but of course we already know where this promise is headed. In the comic section in my opinion. By the way, what about William Jefferson, of Nigerian scandal and money in the freezer fame? And what about the great John Murtha that wants to withdraw to Okinawa, the guy of Abscam bribery scandal fame? And how about Nancy Pelosi herself, involved with PACs that apparently circumvented campaign finance law? Tom DeLay does it and we never hear the end of it. Pelosi does it and we never hear a peep about it. And how about Harry Reed and his wheeling dealing ways with buddies in the squeaky clean state of Nevada?

LoneStarMadam, thanks for starting this thread. The material is endless.

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You're welcome, okie. Smile

There was an administraton that promised to have the most ethical administration in the history of the country as well. Let me think now. oh yeah, it was that feller that got into the presidency with less than half (way less) the votes. Well, that promise got us where? To a convicted felony perjurer. Yes-sir-ree bob, we're in for a bumpy ride.
First there would be investigations & impeachment hearings, then there wouldn't be, now they're back on, i hear. I say "bring 'em on". lol

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Come on Madam, Pelosi is a poltician-- just like all of them. And American politics is, and always will be, about winning the game.

I like Pelosi because I think she is good at playing the game. I think she is politically smart and tough. This means she will win some political victories for our side (I hope). I suspect this is why I like her and you dislike her.

The point is whether she is a good person is irrelevant. When was the last a decent person held the position of Speaker of the House? I don't think a decent person has the qualifications needed for the job.

I think Pelosi will do a fine job. I think this means that she will be viciously attacked from the right who will say all kinds of horrible things about her that are mostly baseless and have nothing to do with her job.

Her job is to advance democratic causes (and I hope this means liberal causes). I think she will do a fine job. Again, my big concern is that she is not liberal enough.

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LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
What you want in the Speaker in the House is someone who can get things done for the base of her party. I think Pelosi is very shrewd. I don't think people with your political views are going to be very happy.

I don't see her as a liberal, but I hope that she sees me (a true liberal) as the base of the Democratic party. In short, she should represent my interests (just as the Republicans have represented the interests of their base by killing the immigration compromise, attacking abortion rights, trying to pass an anti-gay-marriage amendment etc. etc.).

For the record there are a couple of definitions of the word "liberal". I am a "progressive" liberal. To me this means I am not part of the protectionist, isolationist liberals who border on anti-semitism and think Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

My issues are protecting civil rights for all Americans, providing opportunity and protection for the poor, investing in health care and education, and promoting a diverse multicultural society.

I hope the Democrats will stand for these core American values.

Pelosi is two heartbeats away from the presidency, I want her to do what's right for AMericans, liberal, conservative, Dems & repubs, her base is very questionable. Ever hear of Harry Hay, NAMBLA, there's a connection to Pelosi there. S, liberal? She's over the top. with her social views.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450
She rails agaibst mark Foley for his fondness of young men/boys, (which she should) yet she & Harry Hays....
There's lots more about Pelosi & the unions, other stuff that she lies about too.

That she and Harry Hays were in a public parade at the same time?

Along with thousands of other people?

I gather you also intend to smear with your nasty innuendo all the other people in the same parade?

What is your evidence that Pelosi and Hays are in any way connected?

What are you implying?

Are you saying you believe Pelosi is a supporter of child abuse?

Where is your evidence?

If you have none, if you have any integrity, you will admit your nasty smearing and sliming for what it is.

How utterly disgusting your ilk are.

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ebrown_p wrote:

Come on Madam, Pelosi is a poltician-- just like all of them. And American politics is, and always will be, about winning the game...
..

Translation, ethics don't matter now. Corruption is only an issue when Republicans control Congress, for purposes of throwing them out. LoneStarMadam, I am sure you have translated this already, but it is obvious ebrown knows what every Democrat knows but does not say in translated terms.

The press and Democrats are already engaged in a program of reduced expectations for all the dumb stupid Americans sitting out here in the trailer parks and hick towns, and for all the helpless city folk of America.

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okie wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
Come on Madam, Pelosi is a poltician-- just like all of them. And American politics is, and always will be, about winning the game...
..

Translation, ethics don't matter now. Corruption is only an issue when Republicans control Congress, for purposes of throwing them out. LoneStarMadam, I am sure you have translated this already, but it is obvious ebrown knows what every Democrat knows but does not say in translated terms.

The press and Democrats are already engaged in a program of reduced expectations for all the dumb stupid Americans sitting out here in the trailer parks and hick towns, and for all the helpless city folk of America.

Well, she said she's not putting Hastings in charge, and Murtha didn't get the position he was looking for either, so it seems that the Dems are doing an alright job of keeping out those with corruption ties already, don't you think?

Reid said yesterday that the Senate will meet for the first 7 weeks of the new year, something that hasn't been done in a long time, and they will actually sit in more days of the week than is currently required as well. For a 'reduced expectation' they seem to be intent on getting actual work done; a stark contrast to the years of Republican rule.

Cycloptichorn

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Okay as far as that goes, but why are Hastings, Murtha, Jefferson, etc. still in Congress? Where are the press junk yard dogs on this? And Pelosi and the guy from Nevada are not squeaky clean. A longer list could be compiled. Just be informed, cyclo, that we will keep a sharp eye on this to point out the double standard, which we all know is prominent.

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okie wrote:

Okay as far as that goes, but why are Hastings, Murtha, Jefferson, etc. still in Congress? Where are the press junk yard dogs on this? And Pelosi and the guy from Nevada are not squeaky clean. A longer list could be compiled. Just be informed, cyclo, that we will keep a sharp eye on this to point out the double standard, which we all know is prominent.

Jefferson still has to compete in a run-off that looks more and more dangerous for him every day. So he's not in the clear yet; and I suspect that either way he will be out on his ass for corruption pretty soon.

Hastings and Murtha are still in Congress because they haven't been kicked out for comitting a crime. There exists a list of about 100 Republicans who could be kicked out for the same level of corruption displayed by those two, but haven't been for one reason or another.

I not only expect you to keep a sharp eye out, but you should expect me to do so as well. I didn't spend time and energy to elect a bunch of crooks and I would rather see the Dems lose the majorities than to be corrupted by power the same way the Republicans were. That being said, I think the fact that the Republicans are on the outside will provide plenty of investigation and speculation about ethics of the Majority members, same as any minority party does; those who have the power are much more likely to be corrupted than those who don't, and need to be watched closer.

Cycloptichorn

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Madame, Now you know how we have felt for the last 12 years. I feel your pain :wink:

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dlowan wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
What you want in the Speaker in the House is someone who can get things done for the base of her party. I think Pelosi is very shrewd. I don't think people with your political views are going to be very happy.

I don't see her as a liberal, but I hope that she sees me (a true liberal) as the base of the Democratic party. In short, she should represent my interests (just as the Republicans have represented the interests of their base by killing the immigration compromise, attacking abortion rights, trying to pass an anti-gay-marriage amendment etc. etc.).

For the record there are a couple of definitions of the word "liberal". I am a "progressive" liberal. To me this means I am not part of the protectionist, isolationist liberals who border on anti-semitism and think Israel was behind the 9/11 attacks.

My issues are protecting civil rights for all Americans, providing opportunity and protection for the poor, investing in health care and education, and promoting a diverse multicultural society.

I hope the Democrats will stand for these core American values.

Pelosi is two heartbeats away from the presidency, I want her to do what's right for AMericans, liberal, conservative, Dems & repubs, her base is very questionable. Ever hear of Harry Hay, NAMBLA, there's a connection to Pelosi there. S, liberal? She's over the top. with her social views.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10450
She rails agaibst mark Foley for his fondness of young men/boys, (which she should) yet she & Harry Hays....
There's lots more about Pelosi & the unions, other stuff that she lies about too.

That she and Harry Hays were in a public parade at the same time?

Along with thousands of other people?

I gather you also intend to smear with your nasty innuendo all the other people in the same parade?

What is your evidence that Pelosi and Hays are in any way connected?

What are you implying?

Are you saying you believe Pelosi is a supporter of child abuse?

Where is your evidence?

If you have none, if you have any integrity, you will admit your nasty smearing and sliming for what it is.

How utterly disgusting your ilk are.

You apparently have not kept up, maybe you should.
How utterly disgusting your ilk are Hey, you want to go along & agree with nancy on her stand with NAMBLA, be nmy guest, it's a fre country. I personally find that sort of thing totally unacceptable, & yes, how utterly disgusting your ilk are

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Swimpy wrote:

Madame, Now you know how we have felt for the last 12 years. I feel your pain :wink:

Why do you say that? The R's lost the election & they should have. I have no heartburn about that. I truly hope that the Dems do a better job than the R's did, we'll ALL be better for it.
If you think that I'm a repub, you think wrong, I'm an American Conservative, with no allegience to any political party.
There are some Dems that i deplore, there are about as many Reubs that i feel the same way about, i should say i deplore their lack of integrity & standing for what they believe.

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Same here. All I'm saying is that people of your ilk railed against people of my ilk when we criticized Shrub and his ilk. Well now, the shoes on the other foot, idn't it?

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Swimpy wrote:

Same here. All I'm saying is that people of your ilk railed against people of my ilk when we criticized Shrub and his ilk. Well now, the shoes on the other foot, idn't it?

Rail away, makes no difference to me, & it would be nice if my ilk had been shown the same courtesy from your ilk.
Some of your ilk have a problem of not reading &/or listening. One track minds, so to speak.
I have railed against certain jerks in the Dem party just like I've railed agaisnt certain jerks in the repub party, I don't bow down to a political party, I'm more secure with what I believe than maybe your ilk is?

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