Citizen Border Patrols and the Law

Monte Cargo wrote:

If anyone owes an apology, you should go first.

It's honourable and actually should be so that the husband defends his wife.

But LoneStarMadam didn't seem to have been bothered at all.
But feel free to report me.

Monte Cargo wrote:

If anyone owes an apology, you should go first.

It's honourable and actually should be so that the husband defends his wife.

But LoneStarMadam didn't seem to have been bothered at all.
But feel free to report me.

You have hanged yourself already and your fellow troll isn't far behind
in his cargo box.

Trolls, that's what you are!

Sorry, mixed that.

You have hanged yourself already and your fellow troll isn't far behind
in his cargo box.

Trolls, that's what you are!

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Walter Hinteler wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

I would take it as I don't know if you're male or female. A bit touchy, are we?

You mean, I look female and Walter is female name?

Walter could be a female name. Do you have a hangup with people that are, um, maybe different than yourself? Do you get all discombobulated when others give you the same discourtesy as you give them?

If it follows that if you object to illegal immigration, then you deserve to be labeled a racist, then since Walter objects to being called a female, then Walter must be a mysognist.

LonestarMadam is as dense as they come, and a racist par excellence,
and it is presented in writing by herself.

I really didn't believe that people like her exist.

Notice one of walters signatures? "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins", I doubt, judging from his defending the lawbreaking ILLEGAL immigrants, that he believes his own signature.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Notice one of walters signatures? "Wherever law ends, tyranny begins", I doubt, judging from his defending the lawbreaking ILLEGAL immigrants, that he believes his own signature.

Does this mean that defending lawbreakers is outside the law?

I don't know what gives you such an impression.

Breaking the law is breaking the law, just because one doesn't think whatever should be against the law, does not change the fact that it is against the law.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Breaking the law is breaking the law, just because one doesn't think whatever should be against the law, does not change the fact that it is against the law.

I totally agree. And I never said different.

Sorry, mixed that.

ebrown_p wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Vigilant action has served this country well from time to time. When the gov't does not protect this country, then what? We just allow the intruders to march on? There's not just the economic hardship it brings, there's also the terrorists that it can bring. There's more than Mexicans/Canadians crossing the borders.

There are many examples of normal citizens deciding that they don't like what their government is doing (or not doing) and decided to take matters in their own hand.

One example of this waslynching. Lynch mobs told themselves that they were defending the law when the government couldn't protect them the way they wanted to be protected.

I can't think of a single example where this kind of "vigilant" activity turned out good.

The fact is we live in a democracy. For every American citizen who feels as you do that these worker constitute an invasion, there is at least one American citizen like me who feels that human beings should be treated with compassion irregardless of their status.

This is the reason that the attempt of some Republicans to pass harsh anti-illegal-immigrant legislation on the national level failed. They were unable to get the public support necessary (yes they got strong support from a very vocal minority, but many of us American citizens opposed them just as strongly.)

I am completely happy to work this out in a civilized manner-- through spirited public debate that leads to political movement through the Democratic process.

I would never suggest people taking up arms, even when conservatives have broken the law in their attempt to act against immigrants illegal or legal.

Let's at least agree to support the democratic process.

I enjoy reading your posts, you too stand for what you believe in & do it without the vitriol.
I believe that republicans & dems alike, not all of either party, are arm in arm in this lack of border control, & both for nefarious reasons, VOTES.
I welcome legal immigrants, where would we be without our ancestors. I do not support amnesty for those that sneaked across our borders, if nothing else, it isn't fair to those that have & are standing in line I am for sending them home, wherever that may be, & it isn't just Mexico.

As for vigilantes, our forefathers could be looked at as such.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:

Vigilant action has served this country well from time to time. When the gov't does not protect this country, then what? We just allow the intruders to march on? There's not just the economic hardship it brings, there's also the terrorists that it can bring. There's more than Mexicans/Canadians crossing the borders.

There are many examples of normal citizens deciding that they don't like what their government is doing (or not doing) and decided to take matters in their own hand.

One example of this waslynching. Lynch mobs told themselves that they were defending the law when the government couldn't protect them the way they wanted to be protected.

I can't think of a single example where this kind of "vigilant" activity turned out good.

The fact is we live in a democracy. For every American citizen who feels as you do that these worker constitute an invasion, there is at least one American citizen like me who feels that human beings should be treated with compassion irregardless of their status.

This is the reason that the attempt of some Republicans to pass harsh anti-illegal-immigrant legislation on the national level failed. They were unable to get the public support necessary (yes they got strong support from a very vocal minority, but many of us American citizens opposed them just as strongly.)

I am completely happy to work this out in a civilized manner-- through spirited public debate that leads to political movement through the Democratic process.

I would never suggest people taking up arms, even when conservatives have broken the law in their attempt to act against immigrants illegal or legal.

Let's at least agree to support the democratic process.

I enjoy reading your posts, you too stand for what you believe in & do it without the vitriol.
I believe that republicans & dems alike, not all of either party, are arm in arm in this lack of border control, & both for nefarious reasons, VOTES.
I welcome legal immigrants, where would we be without our ancestors. I do not support amnesty for those that sneaked across our borders, if nothing else, it isn't fair to those that have & are standing in line I am for sending them home, wherever that may be, & it isn't just Mexico.

Your implication that our ancestors were all legal immigrants is incorrect. Immigration laws started in the early 1900s and illegal immigration started then (before that there was no such thing).

Since the 1900s there have been millions of illegal immigrants from many European countries. The immigration laws through most of the 1900s had racial quotas that purposely discriminated against people from southern European Catholic contries. People who could get the limited number of visas, came legally. Those who didn't had many other options. Many were smuggled on ships (or stowed away). There was also a common practice of taking advantage of agricultural programs in Canada and then slipping accross our northen borders.

There are millions of Americans, Italian Americans, Irish Americans, German Americans, Polish Americans, Greek Americans and Chinese Americans who are descended from illegal immigrants, and probably most of them, thank to the fourteenth amendment, don't even know (or need to know).

There are millions of Americans who are only here because of amnesty.

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As for vigilantes, our forefathers could be looked at as such.

Quite the contrary. Our forfathers were law breakers (and immigrants). They broke the law with glee. Remember the Boston Tea party?

The Tories (Colonists who supported the British law and opposed the illegal revolution) were the vigilantes of the day.