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I am an extreme liberal

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 07:44 pm
Bi-i-g man, talks heap big boolsheet from behind a keyboard or a gun.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 07:50 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Maybe they have the lowest divorce rate because they never marry in the first place... or because they cannot....


They have a low divorce rate because they are the most educated population in the country.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 09:10 pm
They're not home schooled by slackjawed bible thumpers? Heretics!
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 09:18 pm
Re: I am an extreme liberal
dyslexia wrote:
Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term now encompasses a diversity of political thought.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, free public education, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]
Which is the extreme opposit of conservatism in american politics.


The whole thing does not describe liberalism in America, but to emphasize the obvious, I quote: " ......., limitations on power, especially of government......" This is obviously 180 degrees out of phase, as liberals advocate more government. The other points contained are also extremely flawed reasoning, for example, liberals strive for equal outcomes, not equal opportunity to succeed. Dyslexia, you really must get a grip.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 09:27 pm
plainoldme wrote:

They have a low divorce rate because they are the most educated population in the country.


I schooled in Boston. They don't even speak English. Lib-twits. I deprogrammed. Tell the good folks in Roxbury about how great the education system is.

Or talk to your "senators". The two biggest dicks in elected office.
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Mon 27 Nov, 2006 11:39 pm
American liberalism generally supports a state large enough to prevent the starvation and misery of the masses of people who cannot be accomodated by the capitalist system. At the same time it favors a state that promotes the freedoms, well-being and cultural growth of individuals (by means of liberal arts education for all so inclined and able).
American conservatism generally supports a state only large enough to protect the privileges, property and power of the wealthy classes and the execution of international competition for resources. It rejects a government that taxes those who have in order to protect those who have not, never giving thought to the fact that the rules of the game of capitalism produce both successes and failures. Yet, with the Bush administration we saw the most evident or blatant attempts to use a highly centralized government to serve the interests of the big business (especially the energy) sectors. For them the function of the state is to privilege the privileged.

It is the idea of the most central functions of the state rather than its absolute size that most distinguishes liberals from consevatives. As a liberal I do not favor a state any larger than necessary to provide for national security, social order, education and health, but not for the maintenance and enhancement of class differences. An attachment to the state for its own sake is the way to facism.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:33 am
Re: I am an extreme liberal
okie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Liberalism is an ideology, philosophical view, and political tradition which holds that liberty is the primary political value.[1] Liberalism has its roots in the Western Age of Enlightenment, but the term now encompasses a diversity of political thought.

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights. It seeks a society characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, especially of government and religion, the rule of law, free public education, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy that supports relatively free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected.[2] In modern society, liberals favor a liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law and an equal opportunity to succeed.[3]
Which is the extreme opposit of conservatism in american politics.


The whole thing does not describe liberalism in America, but to emphasize the obvious, I quote: " ......., limitations on power, especially of government......" This is obviously 180 degrees out of phase, as liberals advocate more government. The other points contained are also extremely flawed reasoning, for example, liberals strive for equal outcomes, not equal opportunity to succeed. Dyslexia, you really must get a grip.

Okie I can only say you have been programed rather than educated.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:35 am
I bet he knows how to spell "programmed".
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:39 am
cjhsa wrote:
I bet he knows how to spell "programmed".

yes, I imagine he does and you can spell idiot as well I suppose.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:39 am
No need to.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:42 am
cjhsa wrote:
No need to.
I noted that, you also seem to have no need to think.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:45 am
Not in this thread, no. Very little thought required.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:47 am
cjhsa wrote:
Not in this thread, no. Very little thought required.

groovy, stick to gun threads.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:54 am
I thought "extreme liberal" was an oxymoron.....

Like passionate stoic.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:56 am
Or stupid conservative
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 06:59 am
gustavratzenhofer wrote:
Or stupid conservative



You been on the monkey juice again, Gus?
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 07:01 am
Been? That's past tense.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 12:37 pm
Re: I am an extreme liberal
dyslexia wrote:
Okie I can only say you have been programed rather than educated.


Dyslexia, do you wish to actually debate the subject, or do you wish to make statements without backing it up with evidence?

If you wish to debate limited government being a conservative or liberal idea, simply recall one of your favorite politicians, Barry Goldwater, when he ran against LBJ. LBJ was a liberal Democrat, and of course he instituted what is called the "Great Society," which was supposed to eliminate poverty in America. What it did of course is increase welfare and social programs, AND GOVERNMENT, not eliminate poverty, and a good argument exists that it failed because rewarding irresponsibility will only increase irresponsibility. This is a basic point that should be easily understood and acknowledged. Liberals do favor the use of government to institute equal outcomes, which of course is not limited government. This is an inescapable fact. Many examples exist, such as quotas, minimum wage, government assisted housing, grants, the list goes on.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 12:51 pm
Re: I am an extreme liberal
okie wrote:
dyslexia wrote:
Okie I can only say you have been programed rather than educated.


Dyslexia, do you wish to actually debate the subject, or do you wish to make statements without backing it up with evidence?

If you wish to debate limited government being a conservative or liberal idea, simply recall one of your favorite politicians, Barry Goldwater, when he ran against LBJ. LBJ was a liberal Democrat, and of course he instituted what is called the "Great Society," which was supposed to eliminate poverty in America. What it did of course is increase welfare and social programs, AND GOVERNMENT, not eliminate poverty, and a good argument exists that it failed because rewarding irresponsibility will only increase irresponsibility. This is a basic point that should be easily understood and acknowledged. Liberals do favor the use of government to institute equal outcomes, which of course is not limited government. This is an inescapable fact. Many examples exist, such as quotas, minimum wage, government assisted housing, grants, the list goes on.


Interestingly enough, one of the favorite arguments of Conservatives is that the poor in America have TVs and cars, etc... so, to a certain extent, could it not be argued that the 'great society' has been effective in some ways?

Cycloptichorn
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 28 Nov, 2006 01:22 pm
Re: I am an extreme liberal
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Interestingly enough, one of the favorite arguments of Conservatives is that the poor in America have TVs and cars, etc... so, to a certain extent, could it not be argued that the 'great society' has been effective in some ways?

I would have said it showed that technical progress has been effective in some ways -- an uncontroversial point between American liberals and conservatives.

Also, I'm sure it could be argued that the "great society" has been effective in some ways. Many things can be argued. It could be argued by Rush Limbaugh, for example, that trees pollute the air in some ways. But in Limbaughs case as in yours, I think the argument was weak. For evidence, I encourage you to look up the Statistical Abstract and compare the number of Americans in poverty with government spending on the "war on poverty" (income security programs). You will find a steep decline in poverty before Johnson cranked up federal spending on poverty relief, followed by stagnation after the programs got started.

"The patient was recovering rapidly. Then the doctors operated, and his condition stabilized." Bulletins like that, on the face of them, don't foster confidence in the doctors.
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