I am an extreme liberal

And just what sort of program did the left wing students of the 60's dream of? Please explain thoroughly because if I am a "simple idiot" as Dyslexia claims, it won't be easy for me to understand.

Here, you need to know that the term "liberal" applies to the political spectrum on the left that kind of runs the gamut, from people that believe the government should help everybody to people that hate free enterprise and would love the government do everything and can be classified as socialists or communist sympathizers. m and responsibility.

If you truly believe this,then why do so many on the left oppose Walmart?
They have inexpensive goods,aimed at selling to the middle and lower class.

Uh, cyclops, you need to read the World Federation of Liberalism and Bumble Bee's Liberal International"s grand goals. Free trade and importing products from other parts of the world is promoted by your "ilk"

The difference between us is that while I dont shop there,I dont try and force them out of business,like many on the left seem to want to do.

I dont know about the rest of the country,but the Walmart here pays extremely well for this area.
Their starting wage is just over $8 per hour.
Now I know that many of you will call that "slave wages" (which is just stupid and an oxymoron) but that is above the average starting pay of $7.50 per hour.

As for medical insurance,when did it become a companies responsibility to pay for your medical care?
Its not the job of any corporation to provide medical insurance,nor are they required to.
For you to complain about a benefit that you are being provided,one that is not required,seems a little silly to me.

Mysterman, debating Plainoldme is hopeless. She seems to detest free enterprise, claiming companies sell us junk and that we have to buy it.

Walter, Plainoldme is an example of an American liberal that loves government and constantly criticizes and apparently detests free enterprise and business. She has so far not claimed to be a socialist or communist (she probably does not know what she is), but I would estimate she is ripe for the taking once a slick talker of that "ilk" comes along to promote that idealogy. She would likely vote for them and it.

Left wing students in Michigan wanted to have the same sort of income that our blue collar parents had, which was pretty good. However, we wanted a few more things, like more travel and more books. We also wanted a professional job and intellectual standing. At the same time, both men and women wanted to be actively involved in the raising of our children and the keeping of our homes.

Our solution was for both husband and wife to work part-time in professional jobs and to share equally in childrearing and homekeeping

We also wanted the merchandising of basic goods to continue as it had, with small shops run by independent owners. We wanted to see a revival of crafts. We wanted to eat good fresh, homemade, seasonal food.

I would prefer we not import so much from China as well, but the truth is that it is a world market and thats just reality. Many Chinese products are in fact made pretty well and improving in my opinion. As a country, we simply cannot withdraw into a shell and survive economically. We must find a way to continue to compete, and that is why the old unions and some tradional ways of doing things will have to be refined, if not abandoned.

Did those students realize that the income that their parents had they WORKED for?
Their parents didnt start at that salary,they worked themselves up the ladder to get to that level of income.
Sounds like those students wanted to start at the top.

mysteryman wrote:

The difference between us is that while I dont shop there,I dont try and force them out of business,like many on the left seem to want to do.

Yet it is fine for Walmart to come into towns whose economic needs are well covered by existing businesses, build up over years, even generations, by members of the community and force them out. Terrific!

Wow! If you can support a family of four on $8/hour, you are a genius!

If you as a student could pay even a state university's tuition on $8/hour, you are a genius!

If you can pay rent for a modest apartment (an $800/month studio) on $8/hour, you are a genius!

Besides, all the big retailers have ways to limit the hours of employees.

You want more travel and more books?
What was stopping you from traveling or buying the books you wanted?
Why did you expect them to be handed to you?
If you want a proffessional job and intellectual standing,you have to earn it.
It isnt going to be handed to you just because you think you desewrve it.
You gotta work for it.

Are you saying that those students couldnt keep a house and have kids?
Why not?

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Our solution was for both husband and wife to work part-time in professional jobs and to share equally in childrearing and homekeeping

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Thats a good solution,but with it comes the realization that you will be making less money then someone working full time.
Since that was your choice,you have no right to bitch about it.

And when those small shops had to raise their prices,then you stopped shopping at them.
If you wanted to see a revival of crafts,what stopped you from doing it yourself?
It sounds like you want utopia,but didnt want to work towards it.
Seasonal food?
Define that.
With todays modern shipping and refridgeration methods,seasonal foods are available anytime.
You can get oranges in the dead of winter.
Or,would you prefer to go back to only being able to get fresh produce in the summertime when they could be grown locally?

mysteryman wrote:

And when those small shops had to raise their prices,then you stopped shopping at them.
If you wanted to see a revival of crafts,what stopped you from doing it yourself?
It sounds like you want utopia,but didnt want to work towards it.
Seasonal food?
Define that.
With todays modern shipping and refridgeration methods,seasonal foods are available anytime.
You can get oranges in the dead of winter.
Or,would you prefer to go back to only being able to get fresh produce in the summertime when they could be grown locally?

What a bunch of non sequitors.

It is too bad that places like Walmart -- or Kmart (a terrible place to work, I know) -- forced out the small shops. Shopping is a bore these days.

Crafts? I made all of my clothes and my daughter's when she was small. I returned to that recently. So, shut up.

Intelligent people buy local food that is fresh. Hate to starve out the farmers, but, obviously, you have no conscience about that. BTW, oranges ripen in the winter, not the spring or summer. Jeez! I would hate to send someone as ignorant as you to the store.

Mystery -- $800/mos. for a very small studio apartment is average in cities like Boston, San Francisco or Chicago. In New York, you couldn't get that studio for under $1,000/mos. unless you had an in with a rent-contolled apartment manager. Not everybody can live in a coal-mining town.

okie wrote:

And just what sort of program did the left wing students of the 60's dream of? Please explain thoroughly because if I am a "simple idiot" as Dyslexia claims, it won't be easy for me to understand.

I've posted it tens of times over the years, both here and at the late lamented forum many of us were on before coming to a2k.

Left wing students in Michigan wanted to have the same sort of income that our blue collar parents had, which was pretty good. However, we wanted a few more things, like more travel and more books. We also wanted a professional job and intellectual standing. At the same time, both men and women wanted to be actively involved in the raising of our children and the keeping of our homes.

Our solution was for both husband and wife to work part-time in professional jobs and to share equally in childrearing and homekeeping.

We also wanted the merchandising of basic goods to continue as it had, with small shops run by independent owners. We wanted to see a revival of crafts. We wanted to eat good fresh, homemade, seasonal food.

Just the opposite in every way from the yuppie conservative couple that stamped away across the world in the late 70s and 80s.