"and made no provision for birth control failure in your list of allowable abortions" is the part that you left out while admonishing my message! (See below.) I clearly know that pregnancy can happen by a variety of different planned ways, but only a handful of poorly planned ways.
Please provide real statistics to back your claim about pregnancy happening "but only a handful of poorly planned way."
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I have a big problem with anyone who is clueless enough to think that pregnancy only happens when someone "chooses" to have unprotected sex.
And if you had aborted; you would never have the joys (whatever they may be) of the "surprise-child" that you gave birth to. How do you think you would've felt for the rest of your days had you aborted?
Why do you make everything "personal?" There are thousands of women/girls that choose abortion for many reasons only important to themselves. It's none of your business what and how they choose.
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I never had the joys of any of the children I might have had - but didn't because I used birth control. Should I feel guilty for not bearing them?
I never mentioned the word "guilt" - there you go again adding words to my post! Why? If you think I am inferring guilt - but did not use the word - then ask me and I will tell you! Otherwise; please do not assume so. As to the children you didn't have due to birth control - I do not understand this. If you controlled the possibility of birth by contraception - there was never a life to control!
You don't understand "this," because it's none of your business how couples choose to have or not to have.
All consequences of choices.
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Birth control failure is an accident, not a "choice" anyone made, and some people cannot use the most effective methods for medical reasons.
Define birth control failure please. As to medical reasons - I am very close to a family with that very situation. Like all "medical-issues" they had to adjust their lifestyle when it comes to sex [with no problem I might add] and due to their responsible choices - have never put themselves in a position of needing to consider abortion.
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Being unable to make a good choice due to emotional or hormonal impairment is not a "choice.
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Yes, the initial use of drugs or alcohol is a choice (prehaps due to peer pressure) but any resulting pregnancy is not - any more than a drunk driver "chooses" to have an accident.
It depends on the circumstances - all personal ones to the couple involved. They must deal with it by their own decision.
You're even missing the most important point in your analogy! So when a person chooses to get drunk - what happens between the getting drunk - and the accident? The person chooses to drive! People get drunk all the time (w/o consequence). And people get into accidents all the time (w/o consequence). However - when people get drunk - and drive - then have an accident - who's responsible?
If anybody drinks, drives, and has an accident, the drunk driver is usually at fault. But that's for the police to determine. It may be the nondrunk driver crossed a red light.
I do not view it as punishment!
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I suspect that's because you never experienced pregnancy and childbirth.
Thank God!
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How is it NOT punishment to require a woman to go through the discomforts of pregnancy, the pain and suffering of childbirth and its aftermath, and the associated economic loss, just because YOU don't think she should be allowed an abortion for her own "convenience"?
I feel it's her (and her husband's) responsibility to do all that is possible to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.
Please return to the "real" world.
If/when an "accident" happens - my own belief is that it was simply meant to be - if proper precautions were taken. If you will take a moment and read my posts - you'll find my exact position on abortion. It may surprise you! However - I maintain my position that "convenience" should never be an excuse/reason for abortion!
How do you define "convenience?" To whom? You?
In the case of every abortion though - a life is mutilated!
It's funny you continue to worry about what others do about a fetus, but not worry about the infanticide and killings of innocent men, women, and children in India, Iraq and Sudan. Many are also starving. Their lives are mutilated and killed daily.
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No, the life is simply terminated. The body may be mutilated by some methods, but I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.
I used the term "mutilated" because it's the same word that you used to describe what pregnancy does to a woman's body! As "mutilation" is clearly subjective - you're right, there is no sense in discussing it.
No sense in discussing it? Then, what's your problem with abortion?
Are you serious? What life did she help to create prior to conception?
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The potential life is present even before conception, when an egg begins ripening and is released each month. Pregnancy is measured from the date of your last menstrual period (triggered by the ripening of a new egg), not when conception occurs. Every sperm is also a potential life.
But the "potential life" can never happen unless the sperm(s) and egg meet! All that other stuff cannot result in a pregnancy.
No life is created by two individuals in any of the methods you're suggesting.
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????? IUDs and the "morning after pill" prevent pregnancy AFTER conception. Do you object to them? If not, at what point in development do your objections begin? 2nd trimester? 3rd?
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You're correct about IUD's - I stand corrected. As to what point in development about the others - I am unsure. (It's still under consideration.) When - in your opinion is it "too late" for a woman to choose to abort?
That's for the woman and doctor to decide. What's it to you?
That is certainly your right to believe, suggest, etc. and I am not attacking you for this belief. However - it is not your right to demand a certain way - am I correct?
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I am not demanding anything - except for the right of every woman to choose, ACCORDING TO HER OWN CONSCIENCE, what to do about an unplanned pregnancy. It seems that your want her choice be limited to what YOUR conscience will allow, and you haven't given me any logical reason for allowing abortion in the case of rape but not birth control failure.
You can certainly demand whatever you'd like - it's America! That - and about $5 will get you a cup of bean at Starbucks. And I've never said that a woman should not have the choice on what to do if raped. (Where did you see my words stating this?)
We're not talking only about rape; it's about abortion and the woman's right to choose. Why do you want to continue to insiste and impose your beliefs on somebody you don't even know? How does her decision affect you?
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How is it NOT punishment to require a woman to go through the discomforts of pregnancy, the pain and suffering of childbirth and its aftermath, and the associated economic loss, just because YOU don't think she should be allowed an abortion for her own "convenience"? 
