baddog1 wrote:I clearly know that pregnancy can happen by a variety of different planned ways, but only a handful of poorly planned ways.
So why do you think that abortion is OK in the case of rape, but not in the case of birth control failure?
Quote:Define birth control failure please. As to medical reasons - I am very close to a family with that very situation. Like all "medical-issues" they had to adjust their lifestyle when it comes to sex [with no problem I might add] and due to their responsible choices - have never put themselves in a position of needing to consider abortion.
I already mentioned several ways birth control can fail but here are more details: condoms can break or spill, pills can be missed or rendered ineffective by antibiotics, IUDs can be dislodged and don't always prevent implantation, diaphragms can be dislodged, spermicides don't kill all of them, the rhythm method doesn't work if ovulation is irregular for any reason, and people are human. They make mistakes and take chances. IMO, people who are irresponsible about birth control are not good candidates for parenthood.
Quote:You're even missing the most important point in your analogy! So when a person chooses to get drunk - what happens between the getting drunk - and the accident? The person chooses to drive! People get drunk all the time (w/o consequence). And people get into accidents all the time (w/o consequence). However - when people get drunk - and drive - then have an accident - who's responsible?
People have sex all the time without getting pregnant. If they do (whether or not their judgment was impaired by drugs, alcohol, or hormones at the time) they can then responsibly decide what to do about it when they are no longer under the influence.
People who are drunk may be
incapable of making a responsible decision about driving, just as people under the influence of drugs, alcohol, hormones, or stupidity are incapable of making a responsible decision about sex/birth control. That's why drunk drivers are not executed for killing people, and abortions are available.
Quote:I feel it's her (and her husband's) responsibility to do all that is possible to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. If/when an "accident" happens - my own belief is that it was simply meant to be - if proper precautions were taken. If you will take a moment and read my posts - you'll find my exact position on abortion. It may surprise you! However - I maintain my position that "convenience" should never be an excuse/reason for abortion!
Your position on abortion seems a little hard to pin down.
Who do you think "means it to be" when an unwanted pregnancy occurs? Why shouldn't we be able to alter our own fate, and that of others (as we do with every other action that affects the lives of others)
Why should other people be greatly inconvenienced by your personal objections to them making decisions that have nothing to do with you?
Why shouldn't convenience be a valid reason for early abortion? Who is hurt by the decision? Not the mindless embryo. Not the woman who may choose to have other children later in her life when she is financially and emotionally ready for them. Not society which is spared the expense of caring for them. Not the earth which is already overpopulated.
Quote:As to what point in development about the others - I am unsure. (It's still under consideration.) When - in your opinion is it "too late" for a woman to choose to abort?
In my opinion, all abortions should be done as early in the pregnancy as possible - and virtually all are when women have ready access to safe and legal abortions. I do not think abortions should be done in the third trimester unless medically necessary - which they are not.
Quote:And I've never said that a woman should not have the choice on what to do if raped. (Where did you see my words stating this?)
??????? I
never said that you said women should not have the choice of what to do if raped. I said that "It seems that your want her choice be limited to what YOUR conscience will allow, and you haven't given me any logical reason for allowing abortion in the case of rape but not birth control failure."
I'd still like an answer to the question of why you find abortion acceptable in the case of rape but not birth control failure (or sex that was in some way coerced but not actually rape, for that matter).
