The psychosis of Rush Limbaugh

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Did Michael Fox exaggerate his symptoms for the "benefit" of the camera? I dunno. The fact remains that he has a horrible disease, that causes him, terrible anguish. Even if he did exaggerate (which I doubt personally) if it points out the reasonableness of not tying the hands of scientists attempting to cure diseases through stem cell research, he has done a good thing.

Except his ads were not truthful. I don't know if Fox was exaggerating or acting or off his meds... I don't really care. What I do think, is that Fox is a an uninformed selfish political hack that is using his sickness to garner sympathy.

One of his ads appeared here in Wisconsin in support of Gov. Doyle. In it he states that Wisconsin holds a special place in his heart because it is the birth of stem cell research. He then goes on to suport gov. Doyle and blast his opponent Mark Green for wanting to eliminate stem cell research.

Two things here:

1.) Mark Green does not want to eliminate stem cell research. He just doesn't want government to fund embryonic stem cell reseach. He does not want to ban it.

2.) As bad as I feel for people with Parkinsons (Fox included) Wisconsin is facing greater challenges than whether or not Micheal J Fox gets to find a cure for his disease. He states that Wisconsin holds a special place in his heart, but knows nothing about the challenges that face this state. All he cares about is finding a cure for himself.

We have a governor that is driving jobs out of the state, driving taxes higher and higher which is also driving people out of their homes, driving young people and businesses out of the state because they can't afford to stay here, continually hands out lucrative no-bid contracts to campaign donors (He is under investigation and has already had people under him convicted). Crime is on the rise. Health care costs are some of the highest in the country. The list goes on and on and on and Fox wants us to vote for Doyle because someone somewhere told him the lie that he supports stemcell reseach and Mark Green doesn't.

So I say to Fox: get your facts straight and if you really do have a special place for for Wisconsin in your heart, do the right thing and retract your ad. Otherwise you are nothing more than an uniformed political hack that should not expect to be above criticism just because you are sick.

0 Replies

Thomas- Touche!

The problem is that the government is so intertwined, through the sepnding of our tax monies, that it is totally impossible , as it stands now, to extricate themselves from it.

In the world that I would favor, taxes would only used for defense, and certain public projects, like roads, that would benefit everyone. Taxes would be much, much less, and people would be able to donate lots more to their favorite causes.

0 Replies

parados wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
parados wrote:
McG,

Abuse of any codone when mixed with acetaminophen can cause hearing loss. Acetaminophen is an over the counter drug. Percocet, another oxycodone warns against taking more than 4 acetaminophen.

Rush could have been taking 100 acetaminophen a day without breaking any laws. It would have put him at risk of hearing loss however.

You completely ignored the rest of the paragraph.

Quote:
Deafness resulting from narcotic overuse is a rare occurrence. In the past, there have been no reports of progressive hearing loss occurring as a result of overdosing hydrocodone or acetaminophen. However, Los Angeles ear, nose, and throat specialists have found that when both agents are combined and overused, hearing loss can occur and can progress to total hearing loss.

Its the combination of the 2 that creates hearing loss. Rush said he was taking the oxycontin for pain. Acetaminophen is also taken for pain. Rush was probably combining the 2 and since he wasn't telling the doctor how he was abusing oxycontin he wouldn't have been warned of the side effects of mixing the 2 drugs.

So, you can't back up your statements so you turn to hypotheticals... poor form.

Fix your argument and come back when you have.

I have no argument that needs fixing.. codones cause the same sort of hearing impairment that Rush had. We know Rush abused codones. We know that codone abuse can cause hearing impairment. It is your argument that needs fixing McG.

Find me another logical reason for Rush to have the type of hearing loss he sustained. You can NOT use hypotheticals.

Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease (AIED)

This is what the Doctors that examined Rush diagnosed. Note that this is what the DOCTORS that EXAMINED Rush diagnosed.

0 Replies

So you have access to Rush's medical records? Would you please post them so we can all see them?

I want to see your proof that Rush told the Drs about his oxycontin use. Diagnosis is based on the possible reasons.

Quote:

While specific tests for autoimmunity to the inner ear would be desirable, at this writing there are none that are both commercially available and proven to be useful

So the diagnosis was made by removing the other possible reasons. That tells me that Rush didn't inform his Drs of his drug abuse. Rush isn't Korean nor has he publically claimed to have any of the other diseases listed as the likely causes of autoimmunity of the inner ear.

0 Replies

Ah, I see. You asked for "another logical reason for Rush to have the type of hearing loss he sustained." and when given one you don't like it.

No sense in continuing then.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

As far as I know, Rush was only charged with oxycontin abuse and that was all he had prescriptions for. If you can show otherwise, please do.

So what? If he had no presecriptions for Lorcet/Vicodin, then he took them illegally. What difference does that make? Lorcet/Vicodin can cause deafness, especially when you are taking a lot of them.

McGentrix wrote:

How do you know what his second favorite was? Were you in his narcanon meetings? How do you know he was overdosing on Lorcet? Did you read on the daily Kos? I sure haven't read that anywhere else but slimeball sites like that pushing their liberal agenda.

We know he was taking Lorcet because the housekeeper who supplied his illegal drugs said he did. The fact that she listed Lorcet second strongly implies that it was his second facorite-that pretty much is the way we customarily talk, isn't it? Yes, it is.

I know what you are trying to pull here, McGentrix. You want a full accounting of how much Lorcet/Vicodin Limbaugh took. And that might make sense if Limbaugh only took a few more illegal pills than is commonly prescribed, even if they were obtained illegally. However, as we look at the case, we see that Limbaugh purchased immense amount of drugs-up to 90 a day.

The medical literature for Oxycontin strongly suggests 4 pills a day as a limit. For Lorcet, 5 pills a day. This gives you some idea of how far over normal dosages Limbaugh was taking. Even if Lorcet was only a quarter of the total pills Limbaugh was taking, that is still several times the safe dosage.

Sorry, but considering the amounts of pills that Limbaugh was shovelling down his gullet, your shaky argument that we don't know that his Lorcet intake wasn't within normal limits is quite unlikely.

What you are asking us to believe is that during a period which Limbaugh was taking huge amounts of illegally obtained drugs-many, many times the normally prescribed dosage-among which was a drug known to cause deafness, his deafness was most likely caused by something else. I don't see how anyone can seriously believe that.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:
He didn't use vicodin?

I believe he did, but that's not what sozobe's "source" says now is it?

I happily take back the Wikipedia one and leave the first one -- note how I actually phrased it at the time ("cultrit" = "culprit", sorry if the typo was confusing):

sozobe wrote:

It sounds like Vicodin (another one he used) may have been the cultrit, though Oxycontin didn't help:

Quote:
Study Links Ototoxic Effects to Commonly Prescribed Painkiller.
A S H A Leader, May, 1999 by Boswell, Susan

A widely prescribed painkiller has been linked to profound hearing loss, according to a new retrospective study by the House Ear Clinic (HEC) in Los Angeles.

The study reported on a group of 12 patients who developed profound sensorineural hearing loss after overuse of the popular painkiller Vicodin for as little as two months to as long as 10 years.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4337/is_199905/ai_n15166159

That was not from Wikipedia (when I looked up Oxycontin + ototoxic I got the Wikipedia article, a bunch of places repeating the Wikipedia article, and a ton of spam so just rested there since there was a cite) but more to the point it was an afterthought. My main response and main cite was re: Vicodin.

0 Replies

Can you provide a link as to how many pills Rush was "shovelling down his gullet"?

0 Replies

Thanks, Sozobe. Your research has been a great help. Smile

0 Replies

I still don't understand what difference Limbaugh's addiction to painkillers makes. If he had no such addiction, would his attacks on Michael Fox be any more excusable? Or any less? It doesn't seem to make a difference to me.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

Ah, I see. You asked for "another logical reason for Rush to have the type of hearing loss he sustained." and when given one you don't like it.

No sense in continuing then.

And you asked for a medical literature that showed that oxycodone caused what Rush had. Once given that you didn't like it and have trotted off claiming no one has evidence he abused oxycodone with the other over the counter drugs that met your original request.

Nothing but complete BS from you McG. You are the one that has tried to hide behind your ever changing argument.

The simple fact is oxycodone has been shown to cause the hearing loss Rush had.

Rush didn't have to take vicodin. Vicodin combines a codone and acetaminophen in one pill. There is no requirement that both have to be in the same pill to combine codone and acetaminophen in the system.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

Can you provide a link as to how many pills Rush was "shovelling down his gullet"?

Already did, McGentrix. Already did. but here it is again.

Quote:

She [Cline] also gave the Enquirer a ledger documenting how many pills she claimed to have bought for him - 4,350 in one 47-day period.

0 Replies

parados wrote:

Rush didn't have to take vicodin. Vicodin combines a codone and acetaminophen in one pill. There is no requirement that both have to be in the same pill to combine codone and acetaminophen in the system.

Yep, that's true. The only difference between hydrocodone and Lorcet/Vicodin is that Tylenol is included in the Lorcet. Nobody has ever claimed that taking the Tylenol separate from the hydrocodone will change anything.

0 Replies

kelticwizard wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
Can you provide a link as to how many pills Rush was "shovelling down his gullet"?

Already did, McGentrix. Already did. but here it is again.

Quote:
She [Cline] also gave the Enquirer a ledger documenting how many pills she claimed to have bought for him - 4,350 in one 47-day period.

Yes, he had posession of a large quantity of pills, but that is not what I asked for is it?

Do you believe he took that many pills? That would average 92.5 pills a day... That would kill him.

So, I ask again, can you provide a link as to how many he actually took.

(don't worry, I know you can't because that fact isn't known, but I want you to realize that.)

0 Replies

parados wrote:

And you asked for a medical literature that showed that oxycodone caused what Rush had.

No, the only evidence provided so far indicated Vicodin could cause such damage and it has not been shown that Rush was taking Vicodin or acetaminphene combined with the oxycontin he was abusing.

Quote:

Once given that you didn't like it and have trotted off claiming no one has evidence he abused oxycodone with the other over the counter drugs that met your original request.

Well, duh.

Quote:

Nothing but complete BS from you McG. You are the one that has tried to hide behind your ever changing argument.

My argument hasn't changed because no one has been able to refute it beyond hypotheticals.

Quote:

The simple fact is oxycodone has been shown to cause the hearing loss Rush had.

No it hasn't.

Quote:

Rush didn't have to take vicodin. Vicodin combines a codone and acetaminophen in one pill. There is no requirement that both have to be in the same pill to combine codone and acetaminophen in the system.

But studies show that both have to be present. If he was addicted to oxycontin, it would be for the drugs effect. Why would he also take acetamenophin? It has no side effect that would enhance the "high" from Oxy and therefore he would have no reason to take it.

0 Replies

Thomas wrote:

I still don't understand what difference Limbaugh's addiction to painkillers makes. If he had no such addiction, would his attacks on Michael Fox be any more excusable? Or any less? It doesn't seem to make a difference to me.

Believe it or not, Thomas, I would have to say "Yes".

It's always sticky to get involved in degrees of inexcusability, but immature and shocking as Limbaugh's statement is about Fox's symptoms, it is made even more so by the fact that Limbaugh took all this sympathy from his fawning fans on his hearing loss, and it later comes out that his hearing loss is due to the effects of the drugs he was illegally obtaining and using. And the fans gave him a free pass on that.

Limbaugh accepts sympathy for himself for something that was entirely of his own making, but decries any sympathy being expended on a fellow whose condition is purely natural and beyond anyone's power to stop.

0 Replies

kelticwizard wrote:

Limbaugh accepts sympathy for himself for something that was entirely of his own making, but decries any sympathy being expended on a fellow whose condition is purely natural and beyond anyone's power to stop.

What do you mean specifically by "accepts sympathy"? Here in Germany, I'd have to pay for listening to Rush Limbaugh, which I'm unwilling to do. Has he pleaded for exceptional treatment? Has he campaigned against the producers of Vicodin? What did he say about his pain killer addiction and about people's reaction to it?

0 Replies

Rush has publically taken responsibility for his addiction and has asked for no sympathy.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

Yes, he had posession of a large quantity of pills, but that is not what I asked for is it?

Do you believe he took that many pills? That would average 92.5 pills a day... That would kill him.

So, I ask again, can you provide a link as to how many he actually took.

(don't worry, I know you can't because that fact isn't known, but I want you to realize that.)

So what do you think he was doing with the pills-selling them back on the street at a profit? The man only makes 50 million a year from broadcasting. Do you think he is going to chance that?

Making he was taking some and then, wracked with guilt, was throwing them up? Is that your thesis-hydrocodone bulimia?

Get serious. He bought them because he planned to take them. Even if Limbaugh shared them with another person whose identity he has managed to keep out of the investigation, half is still an enormous number.

Sozobe's link has showed just how little Lorcet/Vicodin is necessary to affect the hearing. Considering the number of pills we are talking about, and that Lorcet/Vicodin was a substantial part of them, it is clear that he had consumed far, far more than enough to cause hearing loss.

0 Replies

McGentrix wrote:

Rush has publically taken responsibility for his addiction and has asked for no sympathy.

In this case, his addiction makes no difference to me. I believe that people have a right to consume whatever recreational drugs they want to. I also believe they're responsible for the consequences. My problem with Rush Limbaugh is that he's a dork, a liar, and a bully. I have no problem with his use of drugs, which is his private matter.

0 Replies

The psychosis of Rush Limbaugh

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know