The psychosis of Rush Limbaugh

He didn't use vicodin?

You haven't refuted the fact he used a substance that could have made him go deaf.

Drugs normally list side effects that occur when taken as directed. It doesn't list those that occur when an overdose or abuse occurs.

You did happen to notice that death wasn't listed as a side effect of Oxycontin yet an overdose can cause it.

Oxycodone drugs warn against taking with acetampinophen. In the case of hearing loss it is the drug interaction between the 2 drugs.

Rapid hearing loss with abuse of hydrocodone

Deafness resulting from narcotic overuse is a rare occurrence. In the past, there have been no reports of progressive hearing loss occurring as a result of overdosing hydrocodone or acetaminophen.

Deafness resulting from narcotic overuse is a rare occurrence. In the past, there have been no reports of progressive hearing loss occurring as a result of overdosing hydrocodone or acetaminophen. However, Los Angeles ear, nose, and throat specialists have found that when both agents are combined and overused, hearing loss can occur and can progress to total hearing loss.

He didn't use vicodin?

I believe he did,

It's only when combined in a drug like Vicodin, which Rush was not accused of abusing, that hearing loss may result. Oxycontin does not contain acetaminophen.

Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice.

McG,

Abuse of any codone when mixed with acetaminophen can cause hearing loss. Acetaminophen is an over the counter drug. Percocet, another oxycodone warns against taking more than 4 acetaminophen.

Rush could have been taking 100 acetaminophen a day without breaking any laws. It would have put him at risk of hearing loss however.

You completely ignored the rest of the paragraph.

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Deafness resulting from narcotic overuse is a rare occurrence. In the past, there have been no reports of progressive hearing loss occurring as a result of overdosing hydrocodone or acetaminophen. However, Los Angeles ear, nose, and throat specialists have found that when both agents are combined and overused, hearing loss can occur and can progress to total hearing loss.

Its the combination of the 2 that creates hearing loss. Rush said he was taking the oxycontin for pain. Acetaminophen is also taken for pain. Rush was probably combining the 2 and since he wasn't telling the doctor how he was abusing oxycontin he wouldn't have been warned of the side effects of mixing the 2 drugs.

What games are you trying to play here, McGentrix?

edgarblythe wrote:

He didn't use vicodin?

McGentrix wrote:

I believe he did,

Then you turn around and say,

McGentrix wrote:

It's only when combined in a drug like Vicodin, which Rush was not accused of abusing, that hearing loss may result. Oxycontin does not contain acetaminophen.

If you recall, the man was taking simply enormous amounts of pills from the black market. Surely you can't think he was taking only normal amounts of Vicodin and was only overdoing it on Oxycontin!

From the very earliest reports of the story, Limbaugh was linked to Vicodin. Remember, Lorcet=Vicodin.

From the New York Daily News story which broke the same night as the original Enquirer story.

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Wilma Cline, 42, says Limbaugh was hooked on the potent prescription drugs OxyContin, Lorcet and hydrocodone - and went through detox twice.

Although Lorcet seemed to be Limbaugh's second favorite, he was taking so many pills that he surely was overdosing on Lorcet as well as his favorite Oxycontin. The deafness could well have come from the Lorcet alone. But as Parados pointed out, if he combined the Oxycontin with Tylenol-the most popular over-the-counter painkiller there is and which is marketed as being safer than aspirin or Advil-he can get the combination there as well.

Whether he WAS taking Vicodin with Oxycontin is absolutely besides the point. Strip away all of that, and what he said about Michael Fox was none the less disgusting.

Did Michael Fox exaggerate his symptoms for the "benefit" of the camera? I dunno. The fact remains that he has a horrible disease, that causes him, terrible anguish. Even if he did exaggerate (which I doubt personally) if it points out the reasonableness of not tying the hands of scientists attempting to cure diseases through stem cell research, he has done a good thing.

Do you think that Christopher Reeve exaggerated????

Even I don't give credence to the rantings of Limbaugh...does anyone?

Some people argue that finding new cures for disease requires the destruction of human embryos like the ones that these families adopted. I disagree. I believe that with the right techniques and the right policies, we can achieve scientific progress while living up to our ethical responsibilities. That's what I sought in 2001, when I set forth my administration's policy allowing federal funding for research on embryonic stem cell lines where the life and death decision had already been made.

This balanced approach has worked. Under this policy, 21 human embryonic stem cell lines are currently in use in research that is eligible for federal funding. Each of these lines can be replicated many times. And as a result, the National Institutes of Health have helped make more than 700 shipments to researchers since 2001. There is no ban on embryonic stem cell research. To the contrary, even critics of my policy concede that these federally funded lines are being used in research every day by scientists around the world. My policy has allowed us to explore the potential of embryonic stem cells, and it has allowed America to continue to lead the world in this area.

Since I announced my policy in 2001, advances in scientific research have also shown the great potential of stem cells that are derived without harming human embryos. My administration has expanded the funding of research into stem cells that can be drawn from children, adults, and the blood in umbilical cords, with no harm to the donor. And these stem cells are already being used in medical treatments.

My understanding is that the stem cell lines that are being used in research with government funding are very limited. Many of the available lines are no longer viable. Although there are uses for stem cells drawn from sources other than embryos, it is my undrstanding that it is the embryonic stem cells that hold the most promise in medicine.

There are scientific groups that are using embryonic stem cells, but are getting their funding privately, through foundations and the like.

parados wrote:

McG,

Abuse of any codone when mixed with acetaminophen can cause hearing loss. Acetaminophen is an over the counter drug. Percocet, another oxycodone warns against taking more than 4 acetaminophen.

Rush could have been taking 100 acetaminophen a day without breaking any laws. It would have put him at risk of hearing loss however.

You completely ignored the rest of the paragraph.

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Deafness resulting from narcotic overuse is a rare occurrence. In the past, there have been no reports of progressive hearing loss occurring as a result of overdosing hydrocodone or acetaminophen. However, Los Angeles ear, nose, and throat specialists have found that when both agents are combined and overused, hearing loss can occur and can progress to total hearing loss.

Its the combination of the 2 that creates hearing loss. Rush said he was taking the oxycontin for pain. Acetaminophen is also taken for pain. Rush was probably combining the 2 and since he wasn't telling the doctor how he was abusing oxycontin he wouldn't have been warned of the side effects of mixing the 2 drugs.

So, you can't back up your statements so you turn to hypotheticals... poor form.

Fix your argument and come back when you have.

There are scientific groups that are using embryonic stem cells, but are getting their funding privately, through foundations and the like.