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When Does Life Begin?

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 09:54 am
neologist wrote:
What is this about my sig line?


your sig line won't show up in any post you've edited
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:02 pm
neologist wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Possible.

God does not measure time as we do. And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.


i'm curious how you know this. have you seen his watch or something?
Operative word in my post = speculated.

But as far as God's measurement of time, there are many bible references such as this in Psalm 90:4: "For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night."


i think it's a miracle in itself that anyone can understand such a muddled english. that's probably were all of these crazy ideas come from...
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:04 pm
real life wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
real life wrote:
So if you gave someone a choice between a surgery that was 'extraordinarily dangerous', (i.e. they might die as a result) and being chopped limb from limb by a scalpel in an abortion ---

--- which do you think they'd prefer?


ugh. you win. i give up. arguing with you is pointless. you always go back to your narrow little view of what the rosey world should be. you take everything to the extreme and somehow fail to see any compromise between the two.


I am very interested in any compromise that you can suggest.

What would be halfway between 'aborted' and 'not aborted'?


once again, you either completely miss the point or purposefully try to twist it.

/ignore real life
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:24 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
real life wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
real life wrote:
So if you gave someone a choice between a surgery that was 'extraordinarily dangerous', (i.e. they might die as a result) and being chopped limb from limb by a scalpel in an abortion ---

--- which do you think they'd prefer?


ugh. you win. i give up. arguing with you is pointless. you always go back to your narrow little view of what the rosey world should be. you take everything to the extreme and somehow fail to see any compromise between the two.


I am very interested in any compromise that you can suggest.

What would be halfway between 'aborted' and 'not aborted'?


once again, you either completely miss the point or purposefully try to twist it.

/ignore real life


Sorry if you think I misunderstand. You bring up the issue of compromise and I'm very willing to discuss it.

The nature of compromise is that neither side attains ALL of what they want, but each may gain SOME of what they want.

Isn't that what compromise is?

So, what would be the 'compromise' in abortion? What is halfway between 'aborted' and 'not aborted'?

If I 'fail to see any compromise', then apparently you do see it.

So explain it.

What is your envisioned or proposed compromise?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 12:26 pm
neologist wrote:
And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.
The True Creator not only implanted in your brain the false belief in a Christian god as a test, but said True Creator fabricated experience so that we may have reality not "fabricated reality so that we may have experience". You've got it backwards, Neo.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:01 pm
Interesting article.

How long will abortion clinics, and those 'professionals' who refer girls to the clinics, be allowed to cover for statutory rapists?

Quote:
Suspect in child rape found dead[/u][/size]

Charges filed when protesters' photos prove trip to abortionist


A sexual assault suspect arrested after pro-life protesters gave police a photograph showing his vehicle at an abortion clinic where his victim reported getting an abortion has been found dead.

Authorities in Bryant, Ark., have confirmed to WND that Jeffrey Dean Cheshier, 41, was found dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot wound by deputies in Garland County who responded to a report of a suspicious vehicle in a private driveway.


Cheshier had been arrested after Angela Michael, who runs Small Victories with her husband and children, was able to document for police the fact that Cheshier's vehicle was at an abortion clinic in Granite City, Ill., at the time the victim reportedly claimed to have been taken there for an abortion.

Bryant, Ark., Det. Jimmy Long confirmed it was the photograph from Small Victories that helped secure a case against Cheshier.........


from http://worldnetdaily.com/avantgo/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56810
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:19 pm
see, that's my point... i'm sure all of the evil medical professional are just trying to cover up rape. you fanatics make such idiotic claims about things like this. everyone is wrong that doesn't adhere to the path YOU assign for them. how arrogant.
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:28 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
see, that's my point... i'm sure all of the evil medical professional are just trying to cover up rape. you fanatics make such idiotic claims about things like this. everyone is wrong that doesn't adhere to the path YOU assign for them. how arrogant.


In many states, professionals (doctors, teachers, counselors , etc ) are REQUIRED by law to report any SUSPECTED sexual violation of a minor.

Are you aware of this?

Do you agree that this should be, or would you change that law?

As long as it is law, do you think professionals should be required to abide by it?

When an underage girl has an abortion, do you think that there is grounds to suspect statutory rape has occurred?
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real life
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:28 pm
oh and BTW Hokie,

what's your compromise?
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:47 pm
real life wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
see, that's my point... i'm sure all of the evil medical professional are just trying to cover up rape. you fanatics make such idiotic claims about things like this. everyone is wrong that doesn't adhere to the path YOU assign for them. how arrogant.


In many states, professionals (doctors, teachers, counselors , etc ) are REQUIRED by law to report any SUSPECTED sexual violation of a minor.

Are you aware of this?

Do you agree that this should be, or would you change that law?

As long as it is law, do you think professionals should be required to abide by it?

When an underage girl has an abortion, do you think that there is grounds to suspect statutory rape has occurred?


yes, it's called mandatory reporting. i'm well aware of the laws. and in case you didn't notice, "under-age" girls are getting preggers all the time. so what about her age, alone, makes it suspicious of rape?
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 02:52 pm
real life wrote:
oh and BTW Hokie,

what's your compromise?


against my better judgment, i'll answer this. i've said many times that i would only not-object to(note that i don't say condone) abortion within the first several weeks. i do not condone partial-birth abortion nor the repeated use of abortion to correct the irresponsibilities of the young. i also said that i would understand the choice to abort a fetus that will most likely suffer from a grave malformation and be subject to constant pain and suffering in its brief life.

you can't see anything except the extreme... that fully developed children are being ripped limb-from-limb out of the womb. that's just not the case
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:26 pm
ehBeth wrote:
neologist wrote:
What is this about my sig line?


your sig line won't show up in any post you've edited
Thanks, ehBeth.

Of course, I was just seeing if you knew the answer. :wink:
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:33 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
neologist wrote:
USAFHokie80 wrote:
neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Possible.

God does not measure time as we do. And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.


i'm curious how you know this. have you seen his watch or something?
Operative word in my post = speculated.

But as far as God's measurement of time, there are many bible references such as this in Psalm 90:4: "For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night."


i think it's a miracle in itself that anyone can understand such a muddled english. that's probably were all of these crazy ideas come from...
The translation I use most often, the New World Translation, tries to keep as close to the original language as possible. This sometimes results in phraseology uncommon to English. One that has always struck me is the use of 'mental regulating' in some places to mean teaching. It sometimes helps to read parallel translations.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 04:38 pm
Chumly wrote:
neologist wrote:
And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.
The True Creator not only implanted in your brain the false belief in a Christian god as a test, but said True Creator fabricated experience so that we may have reality not "fabricated reality so that we may have experience". You've got it backwards, Neo.
Wait!

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I am not sure you realize that what I wrote is not what you read.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 05:56 pm
real life wrote:

I am very interested in any compromise that you can suggest.

What would be halfway between 'aborted' and 'not aborted'?


Hokie - What you witness here is not a failure to communicate, but a failure to comprehend. RL has been offered many comprimises, but has never surendered a single point.

RL - As a for a middle point between aborted, and not-aborted, we could always have all unwanted embryos extracted and put in cryo-stasis. Then people could later chose to have them reinserted into their wombs, or they could put their embryos in the care of the state, until someone comes along willing to deliver.

I wonder how long that would take?

Well RL, you wouldn't have to wait too long to get your chance to step up and help out. Uterus transplants are just around the corner and you could be a male-mommy. The science is almost here.

Just think about how many babies you could bring into this world. Think about how many you could personally raise. Think about it. You'd be a hero.

T
K
Obviously, you haven't thought about every detail.
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USAFHokie80
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 05:58 pm
don't you mean heroine?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 06:07 pm
USAFHokie80 wrote:
don't you mean heroine?

I stand corrected. Thank you.

It's true though. RL would like to make decisions for other people... as long as the consequences stay far away from him.

T
K
O
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 06:29 pm
Diest: It's true though. RL would like to make decisions for other people... as long as the consequences stay far away from him.


That's what I've been saying all along; real only wants to take control of the woman's body while she's pregnant, and not have any responsibility for the baby after it's born. Hypocrite!
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Chumly
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jul, 2007 06:45 pm
Real Life,
Do you have particular influence over others in the real world? If so what is the net result?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jul, 2007 01:54 am
Chumly wrote:
Real Life,
Do you have particular influence over others in the real world? If so what is the net result?


vomit, and net-vomit.

T
K
O
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