When Does Life Begin?

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hahaha... it just occurred to me... have you guys seen "The Chronicles of Riddick" ? I never noticed the similarity in mentalities between christianity and the necromongers. Perhaps it was meant to be that way.... I dunno. But it sure is funny.

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Diest TKO wrote:

. . . For once, I'm interested in a biblical answer, as there was no printed answer in the book to this question. Neo, I imagine you'd be the best for this. I know it's off topic, but the topic is getting pretty spent anyways. No new discussion or points to argue as of late.

As for coffee, I'll take you up on it next time.

Tea &
Koffee
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Be sure to email me next time you come to Washington. My email address is on my website. As far as answers to certain questions about the ark are concerned, it is quite obvious that Noah may have lacked shipbuilding skills. He built an ark that could have been nothing more than a floating box, after all. And he may have lacked knowledge of animal provender as well as many other disciplines necessary for his undertaking.

But the flood story is a postage stamp version of a century, more or less, of preparation and labor. An all powerful God could have certainly been relied on to provide what was necessary for the endeavor to succeed. There are a number of other events in the bible which validate this point of view:

Gideon defeats the Midianites with 300 men, a few torches and broken water jars.
Joshua defeats Jericho by having his army march around the city seven times and yelling.
Etc.
Certainly God supplied what was lacking in these instances.

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that seems like one of those "cop-out" answers.

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neo, All these god manipulations by miracles just don't make any sense from the creation, to A&E, to the burning bush, to the flood, to the virgin birth, to the separation of the sea, and finally heaven.

Think about it if you can; why does god do things in such half-ass ways when he can complete the job with one word. Was building the ark really necessary? We know today that the ark was too small to accommodate all the animals, insects, and birds in the supposed size Noah built. Why not just collect all the necessary animals, bugs and birds with Noah's family to the top of the highest mountain over all that BS about Noah's family collecting all the animals by twos. If god can perform miracles, what has he acocmplished that can be considered "positive" by any human on earth? He's a big failure.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Why not just collect all the necessary animals, bugs and birds with Noah's family to the top of the highest mountain over all that BS about Noah's family collecting all the animals by twos.

Why not just implant suitable memories and create the world as it is today?

Now that would be funny!

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Chumly wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Why not just collect all the necessary animals, bugs and birds with Noah's family to the top of the highest mountain over all that BS about Noah's family collecting all the animals by twos.
Why not just implant suitable memories and create the world as it is today?

Now that would be funny!

that's not so much funny as it is scary. i've heard a similar logic in defense of the bible before. about dino bones. they were put there by god to test our faith. BLAH!

i wonder... since in biblical times people didn't know just hoe large the earth was... how exactly did noah get all of the animals that were indigenous to north america? what about the canadian lynx? how did he get that? and i imagine it was somewhat difficult for them to capture the tigers. i mean, they bite!

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quote: "... and i imagine it was somewhat difficult for them to capture the tigers. i mean, they bite! "

Well, that was another god miracle; he made them tame for the duration of the flood - during capture and during release.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

. . . Think about it if you can; why does god do things in such half-ass ways when he can complete the job with one word. . .

God's power was never questioned by Satan. He insinuated, among other things, that intelligent beings would not be faithful to God under test, and that humans would be better off deciding for themselves what was good and what was bad.

He could have solved the situation in Eden by zapping the 3 baddies right then and there. In that case, you and I would never have been born and the universe would have no resolution of those accusations.

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neo, I would never have missed my life on earth. LOL

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Another thing: god wasted making eve. Adam will still be in wonder what his penis is for. LOL

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Chumly wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:
Why not just collect all the necessary animals, bugs and birds with Noah's family to the top of the highest mountain over all that BS about Noah's family collecting all the animals by twos.
Why not just implant suitable memories and create the world as it is today?

Now that would be funny!

You're right.
God could have achieved his purpose in many ways.
And when you realize that the entirety of one's physical characteristics may be contained in a single molecule, that was probably not out of the question.
Noah. Build a matchbox; and make it look fancy, now, ya hear?
But he didn't do that.

EDIT: Whatever happened to my sig line?
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Let us shun any hypothesis that makes man a puppet and God a tyrant crueler than any in history. - Erasmus

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And also prewired our brains for us to believe we've lived the number of years we think we've lived on this planet. Even all the years of childhood, going to college, working, retiring, and expiring. Oooops, not expiring. LOL

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Chumly wrote:

Possible.

God does not measure time as we do. And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

And also prewired our brains for us to believe we've lived the number of years we think we've lived on this planet. Even all the years of childhood, going to college, working, retiring, and expiring. Oooops, not expiring. LOL

You and I have this in common with our youngest grandchildren, CI; we have lived only one lifetime.

Edit: How come my sig line shows up now?

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What is this about my sig line?

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neologist wrote:

Chumly wrote:
Possible.

God does not measure time as we do. And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.

i'm curious how you know this. have you seen his watch or something?

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USAFHokie80 wrote:

neologist wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Possible.

God does not measure time as we do. And I have often speculated that he has fabricated reality so that we may have experience.

i'm curious how you know this. have you seen his watch or something?

Operative word in my post = speculated.

But as far as God's measurement of time, there are many bible references such as this in Psalm 90:4: "For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past,
And as a watch during the night."

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USAFHokie80 wrote:

real life wrote:
So if you gave someone a choice between a surgery that was 'extraordinarily dangerous', (i.e. they might die as a result) and being chopped limb from limb by a scalpel in an abortion ---

--- which do you think they'd prefer?

ugh. you win. i give up. arguing with you is pointless. you always go back to your narrow little view of what the rosey world should be. you take everything to the extreme and somehow fail to see any compromise between the two.

I am very interested in any compromise that you can suggest.

What would be halfway between 'aborted' and 'not aborted'?

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