When Does Life Begin?

I didn't begin until a couple of years after my own birth. I have no coherent memories before the age of five, and no memories whatsoever before the age of two, which leads me to conclude that before that I didn't exist. :wink:

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If they don't want to reproduce, then I guess YOU would just rape them.

ME? What does this have to do with me?

I'm afraid you don't understand the argument. I don't do abstractions. I'm not playing on the pro-abortionist's pitch.

Odd how you jumped on rape though. There are alternatives. We could die out. We could give in to the demands. We could hypnotise them.

Dying out would be very messy.

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If they don't want to reproduce, then I guess YOU would just rape them.

ME? What does this have to do with me?

I'm afraid you don't understand the argument. I don't do abstractions. I'm not playing on the pro-abortionist's pitch.

Odd how you jumped on rape though. There are alternatives. We could die out. We could give in to the demands. We could hypnotise them.

Dying out would be very messy.

You are arguing that women don't know how to make choices, and that they need to have that choice made for them. There certainly are alternatives, the hypnotism one you listed is funny because that would be pretty easily defined as rape as well. As for demands, what if the demands were for abortion to remain legal? As for dying out, it was actually the first thing I addressed. If they want to end the species, I'm not going to combat that by raping them.

You just can't deal with not having control. It's pathetic.

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You just can't deal with not having control. It's pathetic.

I don't want any control. To be tautological about it- none whatsover. I would much sooner allow women total control over everything. I just think that if they have it they will wreck their own lives and most sensible ladies I've met are well aware of the fact.

Having control is a tiresome responsibility which women can well do without.

Your presumption is ignorant. It implies that I cannot comment disinterestedly on trends in society. I suppose your ignorance derives from your personal habituation to seeing such trends from an entirely subjective point of view all the time. You are projecting and assuming that everybody thinks as stupidly as you do. You underestimate others as a matter of course. c.i. knows no other method of proceeding so it is no surprise to find him supporting you.

PS. It has just been announced on the BBC News that trials are taking place of abortions in doctor's surgeries presumably with a view to making abortion the equivalent of a blood test or having one's corns trimmed. Obviously, if it is a success, and becomes nationally approved, Christian doctors will be at a disadvantage and in the long run will disappear.

I cannot see how abortion, or other forms of birth control, are of the slightest use to women. They seem to me to merely facilitate the gratification of male lust and remove responsibility off them, and onto women, for sexual activity.

You need to study the writings of Germaine Greer.

Have you had any direct involvment with abortion? I certainly haven't. If a lady told me that she had had one I'm afraid it has a similar effect on me as if she had told me she had an STD. And I am unprepared to allow a lady to poison herself on my behalf or be subjected to any other humiliating procedures. I'm happy with the daughters of Eve just as they were made by a very elegant designer.

And women are well aware of that generally which is why it is very rare to hear a woman admit to having had an abortion despite millions of them having done so. So rare that I've never heard one single one admit it.

So it seems quite obvious, in view of the propensity of women to talk about their other medical conditions, that they are ashamed of it. As well they might be as it unwomans a woman in the same way that castration unmans a man. And if she is the only one aware of that it is quite a burden.

I would much sooner allow women total control over everything.

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........hope some day to meet you face-to-face at one of our frequent gatherings.

It would be fun ! Maybe this coming year if all goes well.

spendius wrote:

BTW- Have you any absolutist positions you think are solid?

Yep! I am willing to accept this absolutist position: everything is transient until such time as the second law of thermodynamics is no longer applicable.

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I hope that a wellness educator educates in a more thorough manner than you write. Several spelling, grammatical and punctiation errors in one small post would scare me aware from someone who is supposedly a educator of any kind.

Your credentials are suspect.

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I hope that a wellness educator educates in a more thorough manner than you write. Several spelling, grammatical and punctiation errors in one small post would scare me aware from someone who is supposedly a educator of any kind.

Your credentials are suspect.

Like I said before, it's pretty pathetic when someone's arguements are so weak they rely on attacking the opponents spelling.



Care to put your credentials out for eveeryone to see?

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Rearranging the letters of "the female dominant sex position" gives "state of minx - he lies, maiden on top"

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Intrepid wrote:

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I hope that a wellness educator educates in a more thorough manner than you write. Several spelling, grammatical and punctiation errors in one small post would scare me aware from someone who is supposedly a educator of any kind.

Your credentials are suspect.

Like I said before, it's pretty pathetic when someone's arguements are so weak they rely on attacking the opponents spelling.



Care to put your credentials out for eveeryone to see?

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You miss the point. BTW.... everyone has 3 e's - not 4. The point being that I am not putting forth an argument or attacking you. I am making a statement and asking a question. You are stating that you are in a professional position as a wellness educator. I am asking you how effective and professional you are at that and how is this to be taken seriously when you cannot even formulate words correctly.

If low standards are the norm for this profession, just say so. Otherwise, I am not impressed with your claims and find them to be useless for your argument regarding your involvement in the world of abortion.

I have not claimed to be a professional medical practitioner..... hence, no creditials needed.