When Does Life Begin?

HOLY ****!

I'm just floored that you replied. I really don't have to point out that in the same post that you establish that the Guttmacher Institute has a past with PP, it hasn't been related since 1977.

Further information on the website I provided as a source will give you this...

From the about us page wrote:

The Center for Bio-Ethical Reform (CBR) is working to establish prenatal justice and the right to life for the unborn, the disabled, the infirm, the aged and all vulnerable peoples through education and the development of cutting edge educational resources.

CBR's projects include the Reproductive "Choice" Campaign, the Genocide Awareness Project, Matthew 28:20, and AbortionNO.

CBR also publishes educational resources and conducts seminars to establish the humanity of the unborn and the inhumanity of abortion.

CBR was founded in July of 1990 as a privately-funded, non-profit educational corporation.

Click here to view CBR's Determination Letter from the IRS

CBR operates on the principle that abortion represents an evil so inexpressible that words fail us when attempting to describe its horror. Until abortion is seen, it will never be understood.

CBR is strictly non-violent. We oppose violence against babies and against the abortionists who kill them. We do not engage in civil disobedience. All activities fall within the legal bounds of the First Amendment. Just as Dr. King sought to create a "creative tension" to awaken the nation to the horrible injustice of segregation, we too are creating a "creative tension" to awaken the nation to the horrible injustice of abortion.

They seem cranky.

If the facts are out there, and the prolifers seems to think they can use them, why can't the pro-choicers? If there was something that they saw wrong with thte stas, don't you think that they'd make that case, not you?

Also, after looking around some, I found that the AGI also get's assistance from WHO (the World Health Organization), the "directing and coordinating authority for health within the United Nations system."

Sounds peer reviewed to me.

BTW, thanks for the heads up. It seems there are many interesting articles on the Alan Guttmacher Institue website.

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6 million per year does'nt seem like much difference when comparing 26/20 million.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

Until you realize your nearly talking about a population comparable to the city of Los Angeles and Chicago combined.

Every year!

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I'm new here and saw the title to this thread. Human life begins at conseption, just like cows, horses, and all other animals. Abortion is killing no matter what animal you're talking about.

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Bartikus wrote:

6 million per year does'nt seem like much difference when comparing 26/20 million.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

Until you realize your nearly talking about a population comparable to the city of Los Angeles and Chicago combined.

Every year!

I'm fully aware that we don't have the technology to build a city of that size every year to house 6 Million people. Razz

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southernpride wrote:

I'm new here and saw the title to this thread. Human life begins at conseption, just like cows, horses, and all other animals. Abortion is killing no matter what animal you're talking about.

So says the vegen?

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TKO,

What's a vegen?

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southernpride wrote:

TKO,

What's a vegen?

If I defined it as a super-vegitarian, I don't think that the vegan community would object.

You made a statement that killing is killing independant of what animal it is. This effectively equates the local butcher to the doctor performing the abortion.

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Diest TKO wrote:

southernpride wrote:
TKO,

What's a vegen?

If I defined it as a super-vegitarian, I don't think that the vegan community would object.

You made a statement that killing is killing independant of what animal it is. This effectively equates the local butcher to the doctor performing the abortion.

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Well I didn't mean to say what you said. I just don't think that we should kill the young ones that are still inside our wives.

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southernpride wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
southernpride wrote:
TKO,

What's a vegen?

If I defined it as a super-vegitarian, I don't think that the vegan community would object.

You made a statement that killing is killing independant of what animal it is. This effectively equates the local butcher to the doctor performing the abortion.

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Well I didn't mean to say what you said. I just don't think that we should kill the young ones that are still inside our wives.

And single females?

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southernpride wrote:

Abortion is killing no matter what animal you're talking about.

BTW, it's not what I said.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
6 million per year does'nt seem like much difference when comparing 26/20 million.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

Until you realize your nearly talking about a population comparable to the city of Los Angeles and Chicago combined.

Every year!

I'm fully aware that we don't have the technology to build a city of that size every year to house 6 Million people.

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Why would a city that size need to be built? Most cities have been built by the hands of people.

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Diest TKO wrote:

southernpride wrote:
TKO,

What's a vegen?

If I defined it as a super-vegitarian, I don't think that the vegan community would object.

You made a statement that killing is killing independant of what animal it is. This effectively equates the local butcher to the doctor performing the abortion.

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That's an insult to the butcher.

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southernpride wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
southernpride wrote:
TKO,

What's a vegen?

If I defined it as a super-vegitarian, I don't think that the vegan community would object.

You made a statement that killing is killing independant of what animal it is. This effectively equates the local butcher to the doctor performing the abortion.

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Well I didn't mean to say what you said. I just don't think that we should kill the young ones that are still inside our wives.

The kicker is if the various abortion procedures were carried out on dogs and cats.....it would be deemed inhumane by some.

The humane society will at least bury a dog and not throw it in the garbage.

It's the humane thing to do you know?

How do you get someone to regard the unborn as human when you can't get them to even regard them as an animal ......newcomer?

Can you imagine the uproar caused by millions of cats and dogs being found in dumpsters? Diest would speak out against such a thing I'm sure. As would both you and I.

Get the picture?

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At conception I'd say is a little magical-I mean, technically there's life in my testicles. That leaves the various stages in acquiring the prerequisites for independent survival/humanity and when the doctor slaps your butt. Brain or cardiac activity could be big milestones-or just the need for doctors to do something gruesome like cut the spine to make sure. But I'm of the Robert E. Howard School-I'd say life happens when the natal-candidate can wrest if from the steely grip of fate. I say-do away with abortion as such-just have the option of inducing labor at any time, and whatever happens happens-although of course inducing with intent to terminate would be a good indication of parental unfitness and given survival of the candidate adoption would ideally follow. leave the decision in the hands of the mother insofar as she has the element of surprise, and the fetus insofar as to breathe is desirable. It may sound cruel, and would result in many complications associated with prematurity-but the neonate would have dignity and self-determination-which any patient should be entitled to. I say life happens when and if a being can live.

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Bartikus wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
6 million per year does'nt seem like much difference when comparing 26/20 million.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

Until you realize your nearly talking about a population comparable to the city of Los Angeles and Chicago combined.

Every year!

I'm fully aware that we don't have the technology to build a city of that size every year to house 6 Million people.

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Why would a city that size need to be built? Most cities have been built by the hands of people.

Even with machines though, imagine building one every year. You can't demand every pregnancy to come to term and then ignore what happens next.

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Bartikus wrote:

That's an insult to the butcher.

Take it up with southernpride.

I believe Fungo made an excellent point about the butcher about 50 pages ago.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
6 million per year does'nt seem like much difference when comparing 26/20 million.

http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/cities.htm

Until you realize your nearly talking about a population comparable to the city of Los Angeles and Chicago combined.

Every year!

I'm fully aware that we don't have the technology to build a city of that size every year to house 6 Million people.

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Why would a city that size need to be built? Most cities have been built by the hands of people.

Even with machines though, imagine building one every year. You can't demand every pregnancy to come to term and then ignore what happens next.

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Are'nt the abortions occuring geographically over whole nations...spread out in different places around the world? Or just in one localized urban/ county somewhere?

Then why would a whole new city need built?

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You act as if I brought up the city comparison.

And yes spread out across the world, but not uniformly. 70% in developing nations.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
You still haven't told us the point of your survey. Is there one? You chastised Bartikus, continually, for not responding to you quickly. Now, you say get back to you in a year. Way to go, Sparky.

I'm not sure that I have that responcibility to say what the point is, but having said that, I've already illustrated it in an earlier post. I'm not here to help you read, you can find it on your own.

I chastized Bart for making me have to ask over and over and over again. It took over 20 pages to get an answer. That's pretty weak. the survey is meant to sample a wide amount of issues that deal with the life and death of individuals or the unborn. I want to be able to hold someone accountable for what they believe. If you want my survey to be simply about opinions, I'll need to collect a wider sample, which can take a long time.

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Yes, you have that responsibility. Otherwise you should have made that clear.

If you do not have the responsibility of explaing what your "survey" is for, how do you have the right to DEMAND that Bartikus answer your "survey". I put "survey" in quotes because it is actually just a shameful little game that you are playing.

How does your "survey" hold anybody accountable for what they believe.

Again, your logic is flawed.

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Diest TKO wrote:

You act as if I brought up the city comparison.

And yes spread out across the world, but not uniformly. 70% in developing nations.

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No....I made the city comparison in regards to population.

You brought up the idea of building a city saying you are aware it can't be done....we should think about this......and

"Even with machines though, imagine building one every year. You can't demand every pregnancy to come to term and then ignore what happens next. "

So I'm like.......whaaaat?

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