When Does Life Begin?

Chumly wrote:

Bart,
Do you believe you can tell a human being from a non-human being?

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Intrepid wrote:

You still haven't told us the point of your survey. Is there one? You chastised Bartikus, continually, for not responding to you quickly. Now, you say get back to you in a year. Way to go, Sparky.

I'm not sure that I have that responcibility to say what the point is, but having said that, I've already illustrated it in an earlier post. I'm not here to help you read, you can find it on your own.

I chastized Bart for making me have to ask over and over and over again. It took over 20 pages to get an answer. That's pretty weak. the survey is meant to sample a wide amount of issues that deal with the life and death of individuals or the unborn. I want to be able to hold someone accountable for what they believe. If you want my survey to be simply about opinions, I'll need to collect a wider sample, which can take a long time.

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Bartikus wrote:

In early stages prob not. As far as I know women who become pregnant carry....human beings or human lives in their early stages of development.

If you have information that indicates otherwise....please let us know!

Can a Doctor...scientists...or a biologist? How bout you?

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Intrepid wrote:

So, you are against the wages of war, but for killing babies. Yeah, I know...zygots, embryos, skin cells...not babies

Pretty much and thanks for saving me the time of correcting your choice of words. Rolling Eyes

I've been very forward about how I think abortion could be regualted without making it illegal.

An example would be as follows.

First trimester
-elective abortion
Second trimester
-elective abortion after council
Third trimester
-abortion only if health risk to mother

IVF - Absolute discression of donors
SCNT stem cell research - Full support

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Chumly wrote:

TKO,
Are you managing to maintain grey-cell integrity, perhaps an infusion of fetal stem cells would provide a hearty pick-me-up.

"You gotta upgrade your grey matter cuz someday it may matter."
~Del the Funky Homosapien

I'm holding integrity well. Thanks.

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Very Happy

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Diest TKO wrote:

Intrepid wrote:
You still haven't told us the point of your survey. Is there one? You chastised Bartikus, continually, for not responding to you quickly. Now, you say get back to you in a year. Way to go, Sparky.

I'm not sure that I have that responcibility to say what the point is, but having said that, I've already illustrated it in an earlier post. I'm not here to help you read, you can find it on your own.

I chastized Bart for making me have to ask over and over and over again. It took over 20 pages to get an answer. That's pretty weak. the survey is meant to sample a wide amount of issues that deal with the life and death of individuals or the unborn. I want to be able to hold someone accountable for what they believe. If you want my survey to be simply about opinions, I'll need to collect a wider sample, which can take a long time.

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How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

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Bartikus wrote:

How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

LAWL!

You made it clear you'd only answer if you failed to get me to forget I asked.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Chumly wrote:

TKO,
Are you managing to maintain grey-cell integrity, perhaps an infusion of fetal stem cells would provide a hearty pick-me-up.

"You gotta upgrade your grey matter cuz someday it may matter."
~Del the Funky Homosapien

I'm holding integrity well. Thanks.

T
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Good for you! Me I am not getting a lot of challenge / learning on this here thread. I'm gonna drift on fer a spell. The religionist's mindset has too many limitations, amusing though it may be at times. That's not to undermine the logicality of your intent however.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

LAWL!

You made it clear you'd only answer if you failed to get me to forget I asked.

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Show me where I made this clear! Can You? coo coo....

I made it clear that I would only answer if I failed to get you to forget?

Where? Point to where I made such a thing clear to you! Are you losing it?

What were my exact words that made this clear to you?

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I believe life begins at conception and spiritually when the child is born. I heard my daughter's heartbeat when I was 7 weeks pregnant and at that moment I came to realize she was a live being.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

LAWL!

You made it clear you'd only answer if you failed to get me to forget I asked.

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Does ANYONE have a clue as to what Diest is talking about here? ANYONE but Diest?

Talking to you makes me think I'm losing it....lol

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Bartikus wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:

How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

LAWL!

You made it clear you'd only answer if you failed to get me to forget I asked.

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Show me where I made this clear! Can You? coo coo....

I made it clear that I would only answer if I failed to get you to forget?

Where? Point to where I made such a thing clear to you! Are you losing it?

What were my exact words that made this clear to you?

Stop wasting my time coward. If you had simply answered my questions when I had asked, you'd be in better graces with better credibility.

Graces because you wouldn't have caused my headache.
Credibility because you would have demonstrated you can think for yourself.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Bartikus wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
Bartikus wrote:

How did I "make you" ask over and over for 20 pages?

LAWL!

You made it clear you'd only answer if you failed to get me to forget I asked.

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Show me where I made this clear! Can You? coo coo....

I made it clear that I would only answer if I failed to get you to forget?

Where? Point to where I made such a thing clear to you! Are you losing it?

What were my exact words that made this clear to you?

Stop wasting my time coward. If you had simply answered my questions when I had asked, you'd be in better graces with better credibility.

Graces because you wouldn't have caused my headache.
Credibility because you would have demonstrated you can think for yourself.

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So you can't show me where I made such a thing clear to you? Newsflash...I answered the questions....another from CNN......you were asking no one else.......another....I did'nt make you do anything!

Stop wasting your time?

Ignore my posts...stop writing back! Ever think of that? That's what I did! lol

It takes a little self control on your part to do so.

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Bartikus wrote:

So you can't show me where I made such a thing clear to you?

No, I can, but why would I waste my time cuttting and pasting your useless posts from 20 pages?

Bartikus wrote:

Newsflash...I answered the questions....another from CNN......you were asking no one else.......another....I did'nt make you do anything!

Newsflash, it took you 20 pages to do it (just as I said). Newsflash, I exactly asked only you, even more reason you should have answered. Direct questions demand direct answers. Newsflash, you brought this scorn on yourself. Newsflash, if you come to a forum, you'd better be prepared to answer questions. Newsflash, if you have strong beliefs, you'd better be able to defend them.

Save me your newsflashes.

Bartikus wrote:

Stop wasting your time?

Yes please. If you aren't going to answer direct questions, this place isn't meant for you. It's a waste of energy addressing your posts.

Bartikus wrote:

Ignore my posts...stop writing back! Ever think of that? That's what I did! lol

Because I hold myself to a higher standard than you sir. Because I am not affraid to answer. Because I'm not a coward.

Bartikus wrote:

It takes a little self control on your part to do so.

On the contrary, it would be significantly easier for me to ignore you, it would require very little self control to choose to ignore you. You add little to this thread and your points are of little consequence. I'd be better to wait for better versed posters to address their points. The greater act is to address your dribble. I don't bennefit from it, but it's still an exercise of ethics.

The religious are commonly known for ignoring the counter arguement, I'm not surprized you have suggested this course of action.

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Diest TKO wrote:

The religious are commonly known for ignoring the counter arguement, I'm not surprized you have suggested this course of action.

No offense Baddog1, Neo.

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You can't. Mouth yes....do...no!

"I'd be better to wait for better versed posters to address their points. The greater act is to address your dribble. I don't bennefit from it, but it's still an exercise of ethics. "

making no sense here. Lay off the ludes.

This place is not meant for YOUR direct questions to be answered. This is not your website or your forum....do you understand this?

Many people ignore your BS....get over yourself!

Your as religious as they come....and just can't see it. Who do you try to convince here of the BS....yourself or others?

Don't address any of this....remember...it's a waste of your time!

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Bartikus wrote:

This place is not meant for YOUR direct questions to be answered. This is not your website or your forum....do you understand this?

If you aren't equiped to defend your beliefs, it's not my place to reconsile this for you. If you aren't prepared to answer direct questions, it doesn't matter whose site this is, you should just shut up and read. Read and then wait for something you're better equiped to discuss.

I'll explain it all for you.

I asked you to answer my questions, you refused for 20 pages. You want me to ask others, as if it would have an effect on what potency your answers would have. After you finally answered, you are now accounable for your answer, something of which you seem very uneasy about.

You support IVF but not SCNT stem cell research or a woman's right to choose. You believe that at conception the rights of the unborn are equal of that of the born. Many embryos are destroyed in IVF. Something's gotta give here bucko.

You're a hypocrite, and yes, it was worth the effort to prove it.

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Welcome to the marketplace of ideas.

Things to be bought, sold and traded.

The only currency is intellectual exchange.

No one wants to deal with someone who doesn't bring any product and doesn't have any currency.

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I'm sorry....I did'nt realize your illness till now.

But you see...that's just it!

You did'nt ASK me to answer nothing......your confused.

This is where you began your descent confusing asking with insisting or demanding all the way till you finally confuse embryos dieing to ones being intentionally killed.

You asked me sh!t. You don't demand nothing from me then cry about it like a schoolgirl when ignored.

This would never have been an issue for you face to face. You have to be here to be so bold. (coward)

You need help.

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Bartikus wrote:

blah blah blah rubish*

Bartikus wrote:

This would never have been an issue for you face to face. You have to be here to be so bold. (coward)

You need help.

You're hollow threats of violence are even less potent than your written arguements. I'm not impressed, and I don't feel threatened. I've heard worse.

You want violence, take it to a bar, take it to the whiskey. I'm sure you can find the courage you lack in real life at the bottom of the bottle.

You're ruining this thread for the other readers. Bugger off.

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