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When Does Life Begin?

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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 08:54 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: No matter what stage of life a human is in...they are still human. The unborn are humans made after humankind.

A fetus has no brain, feeling, or pain; it's a cell. A good percentage of those cells do not come to full term by nature.


A fetus has no brain, feeling, or pain. Do you have evidence of this or rely on your fanatical faith?

Can you explain this then:

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/news_and_events/press_releases/pressrelease_fetal_brain_scanning_090502.htm

Does this link contain more religious fanatical poison or do you? You had a brain as a fetus........where did it go?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 08:59 pm
Hold it there, kimosabe. You said a fetus at conception is a human baby.

Show proof that the zygote, the cell, at conception (your claim) is a human with feelings, feel pain, and has a brain?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
A seed is not a tree. An egg is not a chicken. Your brain is missing some cells.


Do you know anything about architecture or construction?

Check the blueprints.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:11 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Hold it there, kimosabe. You said a fetus at conception is a human baby.

Show proof that the zygote, the cell, at conception (your claim) is a human with feelings, feel pain, and has a brain?


I said human being or human life and so did you. Check the blueprints.

You said a FETUS did'nt have a brain kimosabe! False faith in your invisible friend?

So you concede a fetus does and therefore is a human being that should not be discriminated against?

A human being or human life begins at conception!
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:28 pm
A skin sell can meet the same set of inane criteria you no-choicers falsely postulate.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:33 pm
Chumly wrote:
A skin sell can meet the same set of inane criteria you no-choicers falsely postulate.


But a skin CELL I believe it's called...ahem.... will give only an exact match pointing to you .... the original... whereas a zygote has every bit of a unique blueprint as you do showing to be human just as you do!

Are you talking about DEAD skin cells or live ones? lol


the live ones are attached to you! There is no dispute as to whether a zygote is alive.

Your arguments and beliefs are what's hallow and poisonous here.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:41 pm
How about identical twins? They split at some point, and they also have, ahem, the same unique "matching" blueprint as skin cell. Is one or the other not the same set of criteria? Where does your criteria for "life" begin and end?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:44 pm
Twins are human beings because the one twin came from the other.....

What skin cells do you refer too....dead or alive? Both lives begin at their respective...conception.

Unless we are speaking about fraternal twins. Same criteria silly.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:48 pm
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
A skin sell can meet the same set of inane criteria you no-choicers falsely postulate.


But a skin CELL I believe it's called...ahem.... will give only an exact match pointing to you .... the original... whereas a zygote has every bit of a unique blueprint as you do showing to be human just as you do!

Are you talking about DEAD skin cells or live ones? lol


the live ones are attached to you! There is no dispute as to whether a zygote is alive.

Your arguments and beliefs are what's hallow and poisonous here.
What complete drivel given a human being can be cloned from a single skin cell.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 09:50 pm
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
Chumly wrote:
A skin sell can meet the same set of inane criteria you no-choicers falsely postulate.


But a skin CELL I believe it's called...ahem.... will give only an exact match pointing to you .... the original... whereas a zygote has every bit of a unique blueprint as you do showing to be human just as you do!

Are you talking about DEAD skin cells or live ones? lol


the live ones are attached to you! There is no dispute as to whether a zygote is alive.

Your arguments and beliefs are what's hallow and poisonous here.
What complete drivel given a human being can be cloned from a single skin cell.


So you wish to extend what's considered human beings to human clones? You would still be the original No? (if your skin cell)

Maybe you can get a clone from all your drivel.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:01 pm
Bartikus wrote:
So you wish to extend what's considered human beings to human clones?
Caught lying again! I never made any such definitive claim as "what's considered human beings" but you sure did, so you now have to include skin cells as you include fertilized cells.

You also dodge a germane issue as per
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus!
The bible does not scripturally dictate what is or is not human being. Your claim is false.
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:35 pm
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
So you wish to extend what's considered human beings to human clones?
Caught lying again! I never made any such definitive claim as "what's considered human beings" but you sure did, so you now have to include skin cells as you include fertilized cells.

You also dodge a germane issue as per
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus!
The bible does not scripturally dictate what is or is not human being. Your claim is false.


Perhaps, Chumly, it is time that you DID make a definitive claim as to what is considered a human being. Then, maybe we can get past this childish banter and carry on.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:46 pm
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: No matter what stage of life a human is in...they are still human. The unborn are humans made after humankind.

A fetus has no brain, feeling, or pain; it's a cell. A good percentage of those cells do not come to full term by nature.


Where is your proof of this assertion?


It's almost impossible to prove a negative. It's up to you to prove that a cell has feelings, can feel pain, and has a brain. You're the one defending the fetus as a human, not me.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:48 pm
Bartikus and Intrepid, If your god says a cell is a human, why does he abort them before they are born? Shouldn't god leave that decision up to you?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:49 pm
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
So you wish to extend what's considered human beings to human clones?
Caught lying again! I never made any such definitive claim as "what's considered human beings" but you sure did, so you now have to include skin cells as you include fertilized cells.

You also dodge a germane issue as per
Chumly wrote:
Bartikus wrote:
I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus!
The bible does not scripturally dictate what is or is not human being. Your claim is false.


How is it a lie when it is posed in the form of a question? (this is a question too)


(John 16:13-14} But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. {14} He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:50 pm
Bartikus and Intrepid, Since you claim god says a cell is a human, please show us in the bible where he states that?
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:51 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Intrepid wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus: No matter what stage of life a human is in...they are still human. The unborn are humans made after humankind.

A fetus has no brain, feeling, or pain; it's a cell. A good percentage of those cells do not come to full term by nature.


Where is your proof of this assertion?


It's almost impossible to prove a negative. It's up to you to prove that a cell has feelings, can feel pain, and has a brain. You're the one defending the fetus as a human, not me.


A fetus is more than just a cell! You make no sense.
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Bartikus
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:53 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus and Intrepid, Since you claim god says a cell is a human, please show us in the bible where he states that?


You claimed a human life begins at conception as well.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:53 pm
Quote: "(John 16:13-14} But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. {14} He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you." Unquote.

Gee, where does it say anything about a cell being a human? You guys make up your own shite as you go along? God will smite you for blasphemy!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 3 Nov, 2007 10:54 pm
Bartikus wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
Bartikus and Intrepid, Since you claim god says a cell is a human, please show us in the bible where he states that?


You claimed a human life begins at conception as well.


I'm not asking what I said; I'm asking you what god said? Or at the very least, your bible.

You lied: I didn't say a cell was a human life. I said it was a human cell. Does god approve of your lying?
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