When Does Life Begin?

Quote: "(John 16:13-14} But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. {14} He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you." Unquote.

Gee, where does it say anything about a cell being a human? You guys make up your own shite as you go along? God will smite you for blasphemy!

Bartikus: The scripture says the spirit (no evidence) will guide us (is this anything like how god guided Bush to start the Iraq war?) into all truth. (Exactly, what is your "truth?" Do you understand the concept of truth?

If you rely on a two thousand year old fictional book called the bible that has so many errors and contradictions, how do you separate fiction from fact? Please provide proof for the following: 1) world flood, 2) how Noah and his family were able to collect two of all the insects and animals around the world to put onto his ark, 3) how god created the "heaven and the earth" in six days, and 4) how did god create days and evenings for three days before he created the sun?

So, it's not a lifeform now?

No, Bartikus, a human cell called the fetus begins at conception. It's still not a human "life."

Correction of terms from earlier post: No, Bartikus, a human cell called the *delete "fetus" and replace with "embryo" begins at conception. It's still not a human "life."

Ofcoarse human life begins at conception; it sure ain't a boid if the parents are human. What's your point? Some die before birth of natural causes. Many die after birth from starvation.

Bartikus wrote:

So you wish to extend what's considered human beings to human clones?

Caught lying again! I never made any such definitive claim as "what's considered human beings" but you sure did, so you now have to include skin cells as you include fertilized cells.

Bartikus wrote:

So, it's not a lifeform now?

You will find that CI talks in circles because he never answers a question as asked and goes off in many directions to deflect his actual knowledge of most subjects.

cicerone imposter wrote:

No, Bartikus, a human cell called the fetus begins at conception. It's still not a human "life."

Of coarse!

cicerone imposter wrote:

Correction of terms from earlier post: No, Bartikus, a human cell called the *delete "fetus" and replace with "embryo" begins at conception. It's still not a human "life."

Corrections are good!

What's this CI?

cicerone imposter wrote:

Ofcoarse human life begins at conception; it sure ain't a boid if the parents are human. What's your point? Some die before birth of natural causes. Many die after birth from starvation.

So which is it CI?

No kidding Intrepid.

Round....Round...get around...CI gets around! yeh get around.

He'll be coming around that mountain when he comes......you runnin boy.

Is a human embryo....alive CI...if so what kind of life is it? I gave a clue and so did you. lol Do you need corrected again? lol

As for your latest posts about talking in circles, you pro-lifers haven't even answered any of our questions, and you accuse of of not responding.

Show us where I have not answered your question(s)? Please list them showing date of entry and post number.


I'll show you how you continue to circumvent our direct questions - and talking in circles.

And BTW, saying that "god told you" is not a viable answer, because there's nor evidence or proof for it. Your invisible friend doesn't exist in the "real" world. If you understand anything about logic and common sense, you just can't poof an invisible friend into a discussion as your evidence.

So, how does the decision of a complete stranger to have an abortion affect you? How does another woman's decision to have 25 children affect you? In the majority of cases, you don't even hear or learn about them, but you want to impose your ridiculous religious' beliefs on complete strangers.

Do you just wish to impose our personal religious morals on another woman you don't even know? Where does your interest in her begin and end? How about the baby? will you have concern for that baby after its birth? How about shelter, food, and health care?

Your concern is really superficial isn't it? You really don't care what happens to the woman or the baby. Talk is cheap; especially the kind you people spew as "saving a life."

If you're really concerned about lives, there are many children living without parents, shelter and/or food. Worry about them; they really need your "help."

Perhaps, Chumly, it is time that you DID make a definitive claim as to what is considered a human being.

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent

Bartikus wrote:

I have told you how I came to that conclusion! You just didn't think my answer was good enough, since it has to do with God and the Lord Jesus! Y ou still are evading all of my questions. Why is that??

The bible does not scripturally dictate what is or is not human being. Your claim is false.

I will answer your query now:

I do not have a strict definition of what is or is not a human being. I am not sure that is presently possible. I consider it an open question as whether that level of assessment is within Man's present philosophical-technological grasp.

If you twisted my arm, my definition would be anything that can pass a human-being-equivalence Turing Test. My concern as noted is the question of the extent to which human levels of sentience and self-awareness and independence of thought can be assessed at all!

I should add that current and past events such as war, corruption, starvation, environmental decimation, prejudice, racism, etc suggest Man is often unable / unwilling to make the assessment as to what constitutes a human being.