THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

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I'm surprised this thread wasn't reopened with more enthusiasm. Omsig's original premise sure rang true. I have no choice but to agree with Mr. Nugent's statement "America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time."

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cjhsa wrote:

I'm surprised this thread wasn't reopened with more enthusiasm. Omsig's original premise sure rang true. I have no choice but to agree with Mr. Nugent's statement "America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time."

So America is the sort of place you have to carry a weapon, otherwise you are unarmed therefore helpless and dead?

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After four weeks of break we'll have to get used to cjhsa's responses again.

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Yep, ya' better.

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While it creeps me out to agree with cj, the fact that we in AMerica cant control gun access to the unstable because the NRA, through state legislatures (and Congress) has effectively blocked any common sense approaches, then the alternative can only be that we must recognize that an unarmed classroom of students or any similar gathering has NO CHANCE. Had there been someone who was armed in the vicinity , they WOULD HAVE AT LEAST HAD A CHANCE.

No amount of gun control appeals will work in the US with the gun lobby so powerful.

While the Chiefs of Police Association ( a political org) favors gun control, the overwhelming number of patrolmen "on the job" feel that armed citizens can actually deal with such violence problems better. The cops themselves feel that, because they are often hamstrung by " the Potential endangerment rules", all they do is draw chalklines around bodies.

I depart from many in this thread who make totally unreasonable appeals for gun control. They must face the reality that we are handed. Guns are easily acquired, both legally and illegally. Most of the guys like Steve dont accept the fact that the overwhelming majority of gunowners arent " wires ready to snap". The vast majority are respectful and fully in control and aware of the power they pack in their pants. There are many who are licensed to "carry" whove never drawn their guns . However, there only needs to be one instance in ones life to affect the outcome of a situation like at Blacksburg by being an armed shield against a determined insane person as Cho or a determined enemy who wishes to do harm to many .
Cho just walked into a room and methodically mowed down 30 people . THEY DIDNT HAVE A CHANCE.

Until this society is mature enough to handle gun control and to obey the rules, we must deal with the situation at hand in a balanced =equal force means. Very few on this thread recognize that such is our reality, and you must deal with a real world scenario.

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farmerman wrote:

Most of the guys like Steve dont accept the fact that the overwhelming majority of gunowners arent " wires ready to snap"

I'm not worried about the intact wires owning guns, its the snapped ones being able to pop down the local hardware store and buy a semi automatic pistol that I worry about. Or rather I would if I lived in the US. Farmerman seems to be admitting that American society is not mature enough to handle gun control. I dont believe that for a moment. All it takes is a stroke of the pen, as your Chiefs of Police want.

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Only CoP's from liberal cities want more gun control, because they like being in control. They do not speak for the country at large. Chicago, for example, where gun control is the norm, has one of the most corrupt police forces in all the country - always has. Some things never change.

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Try as I may, I cant think of a single argument to support the case for carrying a semi automatic pistol, except that for some immature individuals it makes them feel good.

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So what do you suggest cj, that college students be armed? That we should have 10,000 or so 19-22 year olds roaming around campus armed with pistols?

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xingu wrote:

So what do you suggest cj, that college students be armed? That we should have 10,000 or so 19-22 year olds roaming around campus armed with pistols?

Thats the logic of his argument. Any one of those 10,000 will be constantly scrutinizing everyone else in case they initiate a massacre. At the same time, knowing the damage weapons can do, the 10,000 will refrain from all arguments or disputes which might lead to confrontation, and of course will be completely accident free during their time at college. I would laugh if this were a joke.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

xingu wrote:
So what do you suggest cj, that college students be armed? That we should have 10,000 or so 19-22 year olds roaming around campus armed with pistols?
Thats the logic of his argument. Any one of those 10,000 will be constantly scrutinizing everyone else in case they initiate a massacre. At the same time, knowing the damage weapons can do, the 10,000 will refrain from all arguments or disputes which might lead to confrontation, and of course will be completely accident free during their time at college. I would laugh if this were a joke.

The sad thing is there are people out there who believe this. They can't understand that passion + guns = disaster

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I would think that millions of service men and women think you don't know what you are talking about. Or even many millions more legal gun owners in the U.S., who live and love and don't shoot anybody, just like you.

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steve4100

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Try as I may, I cant think of a single argument to support the case for carrying a semi automatic pistol, except that for some immature individuals it makes them feel good.

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I'm not worried about the intact wires owning guns, its the snapped ones being able to pop down the local hardware store and buy a semi automatic pistol that I worry about. Or rather I would if I lived in the US. Farmerman seems to be admitting that American society is not mature enough to handle gun control. I dont believe that for a moment.

. If left alone long enough, you make my argument for me.

Besides , in the US, it wont take a mere "stroke of a pen" to change a law. The process is loaded with special interests and agendas.

For now, I favor a well trained, screen ed, armed group of security people mixed within the student body, and this may be extended to include specially trained instructors. Interdiction of a nut , with rights, such as Cho, is nigh on impossible in the US. Im sure that well see that the findings of a study of the Blacksburg massacre will not include gun control. Such legislation, while desirable, wont occur in the next few generations, (barring a despot taking over the govt and disarming the population). It didnt happen when the Kennedies and King shootings, nor in the recent others. Ive only commented on this threadearlier , in which the fact that the AMish would take bullets ratyher than be armed. Im not that generous with the lives of those that I love. If I could stop someone like Cho, Id be the first to pull the trigger. I wouldnt flinch.

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cjhsa wrote:

I would think that millions of service men and women think you don't know what you are talking about. Or even many millions more legal gun owners in the U.S., who live and love and don't shoot anybody, just like you.

And then there are those like Cho. And he's not an isolated case. Check out the number of murders in America.

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And then there are those who make stupid rules like "gun free zones" who wouldn't recognize a firearm if it bit them in the ass.

Most people who carry know the state laws quite well, but what do you do when you're carrying and come upon one of these places? Do you simply avoid the venue, or hand your weapon to the nice, quiet Korean kid standing by the door?

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Geez, cjhsa - really missed your posts....

[size=7]{like someone who stops beating his head against a brick wall misses the constant pain}[/size]

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Nobody is suggesting that college students be issued a sidearm upon admission. ;p

But college students -are- adults; in those jurisdictions where concealed-carry is permitted, they're allowed to carry concealed weapons just like any other adult. In fact, it's safe to say that, despite the party atmosphere of certain schools, college students will be on average MORE responsible and intelligent than the general population.

Of course, not every student is responsible. However, the permit process for concealed weapons is usually enough of a pain that people don't undergo it casually - that is to say, you don't do it unless you've given the issue some thought beforehand, and you don't go through with it unless it's something you really want to do.

There won't be a whole lot of overlap between the population of college students and the population of people likely to carry a concealed weapon. (However, there will be more of an overlap with professors! ;p) That's not the point. A subset of the student population is going to be well-suited for it, and there's no reason to refuse them permission to carry a weapon on a college campus any more than there is to refuse them permission to carry on a public bus or a restaurant or a park.

(I mean, come on! I'm graduating next week. In my public policy class, there's a couple of ex-Army guys and one serving Marine. You're telling me that they're fit to carry around REAL full-auto weapons, drive tanks, drop bombs, but put them in a classroom and all of the sudden they revert to thumb-suckers who can't be trusted around sharp objects?)

The idea that the US could somehow become a gun-free nation is just silly. Not only do we have, er, an inconvenient constitutional right to be armed, but we have tens of millions of guns in private hands. Even if somehow we did something about that, we also happen to have several criminal networks who specialize in importing packages of illegal goods as it is; you think they wouldn't run guns as easily as they run weed or blow?

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snood wrote:

Geez, cjhsa - really missed your posts....

[size=7]{like someone who stops beating his head against a brick wall misses the constant pain}[/size]

Truth hurts.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Try as I may, I cant think of a single argument to support the case for carrying a semi automatic pistol, except that for some immature individuals it makes them feel good.

How about the fact that lots of bad people want to hurt you, rob you, cut off your d--k and kill you, gangrape your girlfriend, then murder her and dump both of your bodies?

Just a hypothetical question.

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=5930690

The victims:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/arcser/victimswd3.jpg

You sure you can't come up with ONE good reason? Then you're beyond help.

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