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THE DANGER OF GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONES

 
 
genefog2
 
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Reply Tue 5 Mar, 2013 05:24 pm
@parados,
I lived a lifetime raising kids in a home that had all sorts of guns, and there was never a problem. I knew and still know many others that were the same. I deny that the stinking NO GUNS ALLOWED signs make anyone safe. If you are wondering, go ask the people who's kids were shot in the schools how safe their kids were. Gun bans are good for two things, giving people something fun to quarrell about and getting people killed. A Mafia hit man once said "the moment you tell the public they cant have something you ahve just made a new business for me. Let me see, cocaine, booze, crack, meth....um, no there is no reason to think a gun ban wouldnt work. It worked great at Luby's, only the "law abiding citizens" were disarmed, the criminal was totally safe.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 6 Mar, 2013 12:53 pm
@genefog2,
genefog2 wrote:

And there were several thousand deaths with automobiles that same weekend.

There were? Do you have evidence to back up your idiotic statement? Do you always make up statistics? Do you think making up statistics makes you seem intelligent?
There are about 30,000 deaths from automobile accidents per year. That works out to only a couple of hundred over a weekend. You claimed "THOUSANDS". I would like to see your evidence of that.

Here is a simple little fact. There has never been a gun accident when a gun has not been present. There has also never been a car accident without a car being present. When you introduce cars you increase the likelihood of a car accident. When you introduce guns you increase the likelihood of a gun accident.
genefog2
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 08:17 am
@parados,
If you want to drop to the level of petty childish name calling, then maybe you should open a newspaper or get on the internet and open your stupid eyes. So what you are saying is that I invented drunk driving, invented speeding and the other obvious things that people like you avoid. Thats what makes you so good for a laugh, you are so stuck on your little anti gun campaign that stuff that goes on all around you is "duh, I didnt see nuttin". You want proof, and yet you try to tell me I seem unintelligent to you. Well you are the name calling petty two year old scared of a gun, and this is the best you can come up with for an arguement, thanks for the laugh:)
genefog2
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 08:20 am
@parados,
Name calling and denial are two key compnents of people who cant win an arguement:)
parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 08:36 am
@genefog2,
Name calling? I called your statement idiotic and it was and is idiotic. You claimed thousands died in car accidents over that weekend. That is an idiotic statement because it is not factual and was clearly made up to try to support your argument.

The problem you have is that I do open newspapers and get on the internet. That is why I instantly recognized your statement as complete BS. I didn't say anything about you inventing drunk driving or speeding. I said you invented that fantastical and idiotic number of thousands dying in car accidents over one weekend.

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You want proof, and yet you try to tell me I seem unintelligent to you
You made a claim that known facts call into question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year
32,367 people died in car accidents in 2011. The number is fairly steady. You made a claim that there was a sudden jump to thousands over one weekend when a typical weekend is only about 200-300 deaths. I simply asked for some evidence from you to support that claim because it certainly wasn't in any newspaper and doesn't seem to be on the internet either.

I see you do irony.
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you are the name calling petty two year old

I never called you any names. I only used adjectives in reference to your statement. You on the other hand clearly are referring to me personally.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 08:37 am
@genefog2,
genefog2 wrote:

Name calling and denial are two key compnents of people who cant win an arguement:)

Yes, they could well be. Someone unwilling to admit they made a factual mistake when they can't provide support for a statement could be another sign.
genefog2
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 01:31 pm
@parados,
I'm sorry. I failed to realize that you may be unable to read a newspaper, see the evening news or otherwise recognize the obvious. But hey, I'm glad to know that as a gun free supporter, you wont shoot your tosies off with a gun. Leave the safe handling of firearms to those of us who can do it.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 7 Mar, 2013 04:39 pm
@genefog2,
Your statement is still untrue based on newspapers, the evening news and all other obvious sources. But hey, I'm glad to know you have a gun and are probably as safe with your gun as you are with your facts.
genefog2
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2013 07:52 am
@parados,
Wow. so you are telling me that the deaths caused by reckless, drunk and irresponsible drivers are all made up and that stuff never happens? Wow! No wonder you gun ban guys are so easy to lie to. I wont even dignify that with a response. It is just too far across the line. It's just too bad that people like you live in a fantasy world that has made life safer for criminals and so much worse for everyone else. You must be just amusing yourself here, because no one could actually be that blind and ignorant.
parados
 
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Reply Mon 11 Mar, 2013 07:55 am
@genefog2,
genefog2 wrote:

Wow. so you are telling me that the deaths caused by reckless, drunk and irresponsible drivers are all made up and that stuff never happens? Wow!

Wow indeed. I state that thousands didn't die over a single weekend like you claimed and you respond by pretending I claimed no one ever dies from car accidents.
You seem to be rather quick to misrepresent anything I say which does call for a big WOW.
genefog2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 07:18 am
@parados,
Let me me be really specific: The dallas tx region had several hundred in one particular weekend late last year. Multiply this by other cities accross the nation you have alot of deaths. Those of you who think the world would bebetter off without guns talk about a national issue of being a gun free nation and across the same nation that has the schools, churches and other public places, cars are the tools in far more accidents than guns, preventable, unneccesary deaths, and they outpace guns by miles yet those of you who own cars see no reason to have your rights curtailed as you take responsibility for another person's actions, and by the same token, we who carry firearms responsibly refuse to be told we must surrender our weapons and take responsibility for the actions of armed criminals, by the same principal. Was that too hard to follow? I have indeed been told I make this stuff up, and that is absurd. I have seen first hand the results of some idiot who believed that guns are dangerous and need removed from society take his vehicle out and leave dead and maimed people in his path and I have to wonder why one idiot thinks he is better than another. The same idiot lost his license and had his car removed and claimed it was unfair. Yet he told me my guns needed removed because they were dangerous and not one firearm I've owned ever harmed another human being. His cvlaim was that he needed his car to get to work. I also claimed that it was my gun that made the local thugs leave my house alone.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 07:40 am
@genefog2,
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: The dallas tx region had several hundred in one particular weekend late last year. Multiply this by other cities accross the nation you have alot of deaths.

So you say but where is your evidence?

In 2011 the most deaths in a single weekend was 51 for the entire state of Texas. The second deadliest weekend had 42.
http://www.dot.state.tx.us/txdot_library/drivers_vehicles/publications/crash_statistics/default.htm

I'm sure if Dallas had 100 deaths in one weekend from traffic accidents it would be major news and yet I can find nothing about it anywhere.
parados
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 08:06 am
@genefog2,
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cars are the tools in far more accidents than guns, preventable, unneccesary deaths, and they outpace guns by miles

Really?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html
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genefog2
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 12:04 pm
@parados,
Somehow that does not surprise me. You sound like my kids, when I point to their dirty room and tell them this is why you arent doing so and so, they have the same problem, they sit there and fail to see what is plain as day. I'm sorry, you're right. There is no such thing as reckless driving or drunk driving, I made all that up so I could have an excuse to keep my house filled with deadly weapons so I can help arm criminals. That what you want to hear? Yeah, my kids are full of it too, the difference is one day they will grow up.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 01:15 pm
@genefog2,
Well, like all car owners say: "I have an absolute right to drive any vehicle I want, on any road, at any time, at any speed, and under any conditions."
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 12 Mar, 2013 01:51 pm
The obvious rejoinder is that cars were not invented, nor are they manufactured in order to kill people. Guns have no other purpose.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 06:22 am
@genefog2,
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Somehow that does not surprise me. You sound like my kids, when I point to their dirty room and tell them this is why you arent doing so and so, they have the same problem, they sit there and fail to see what is plain as day.

I think if your kids have that problem then they must take after their dad.

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There is no such thing as reckless driving or drunk driving
There you go again. Making up stuff that I never said when it is plain as day that I never said any such thing.

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Yeah, my kids are full of it too, the difference is one day they will grow up.
I would hope they do grow up once they are no longer under your roof.
genefog2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:49 pm
@parados,
My kids were educated in gun use, and they did not lose that knowledge once they were not under my roof. They, as me also, see people who consider guns good for nothing mbut murder to be fools blind to the the brutal results of that mentality. Guns are a tool. Guns put food on tables, they baught the freedoms you enjoy in this country, and they protect many people from harm from violent offenders. I am sorry your paranoid and insulting mentality cannot handle that, but it still true nonetheless, and your cars have had the brains of many people scattered on their grills and doors, and they are innanimate objects. What is the difference. Please explain that difference to the people who have died or been disabled by drunk drivers. Oh yeah, booze is not supposed to have a role in the deaths and injuries of the same people, yet it does. Funny, guess I got the wrong guns, because not one of mine has ever claimed a life.
genefog2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Mar, 2013 12:52 pm
@parados,
Check out drunk driving reports. Oh that's right, you cant face evidence, sorry. Maybe doing some research is too much work. Oh yeah, also check out the 2nd amendment Police department website and Women against Gun Control websites and you will find that many people you would think should support gun control are staunchley against it. I guess they are all liars too huh? And next if I say the sun is blue during the day you will say "where is your evidence." Stupid.
debrafrancis
 
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Reply Tue 19 Mar, 2013 11:48 am
@parados,
All you want to do is argue. Here's a fact: MANY people die from others drinking irresponsibly. So you are nitpicking over numbers? Okay, well there have only been a small handful of school and church shootings by sociopaths with guns as opposed to many many more killed on a REGULAR basis by drivers who are drunk. Do you dispute that? Even one dumbass with too much brew in his gut is enough to kill someone. Who cares if there are ten or ten thousand. Responsible drivers dont kill anybody with their cars and responsible people with guns do not kill people with their guns. End o' story.
 

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