No, it was just a poor analogy. In this case, blame the messenger.
McGentrix wrote:I believe he was using examples to make a point which obviously went over some heads.
There are no examples which would equate.
A gun versus a table saw????
So, you hear a burglar breaking a window and you run to ... where?... to the shed to grab your table saw and... do what with it, exactly? Cut some lumber? Or maybe go get your neighbour to help you hoist the damn thing inside so you can do ... what, exactly? Have your neighbour pin down your burglar so you can do what... exactly? Threaten him with loss of limb or life?
Not quite the same thing as levelling a gun at the guy in a nanosecond, is it?
Somehow, "Tablesaws don't kill people... people do" doesn't have the same cachet as "Guns don't kill people... people do"... I think you'd be laughed out of your state.
Guy goes into a bank, armed with a table saw. He yells
"everybody on the floor, this is a stickup. Now plug this thing in"
Yep, doesnt make it.
Quote: We have the right to own guns - we also have the RESPONSIBILITY to learn gun safety before we can buy a gun.
If you're gonna quote me quote the rest of it...........not just part of it....
Difference is that Canadians can't just run out and buy a gun. You have to have a license to possess which means you have to take classes that teach gun safety. THEN you get a gun.
America: just go get a gun, in most states. Three day wait for Calif. No classes taught on gun safety or gun owner responsibility.
Is that the reason America is such a violent country? Access to weapons is too easy? Not many people know how to properly handle a gun? I think that's a major reason. That, and overpopulation, which creates a situation like too many rats in a cage all a'chewin their way out.
You have to pass a test to get a license to drive a car. Why is it such a big deal to pass a test to carry a lethal weapon?
pachelbel wrote:
You have to pass a test to get a license to drive a car. Why is it such a big deal to pass a test to carry a lethal weapon?
Because civilian ownership of weapons in America is recognized as a God given right which serves the specific purpose of limiting the power of governments. Allowing governments to regulate such a right in effect destroys the right and defeats the entire purpose of it.
One of the stupid rhetorical tricks I've seen here is the question of whether I'd support the idea of muslims owning firearms for just such a purpose, i.e. to protect them from oppression.
The answer is yes. Even assuming a worst possible case in which slammites living in America to the man, woman, and child were all part of an organized fifth column intent on destroying America, I'd much rather take my chances with the present system than to posit a system in which only government workers had firearms, less than a million firearms existed in the US, and slammites only had to devise a way to get their hands on half of those million firearms to take the country.
I can't think of a situation in which I'd prefer the Canadian system.
gungasnake wrote:civilian ownership of weapons in America is recognized as a God given right
You mean it's a religion?
On the eighth day, God created guns
And God gave the guns to Adam
to have dominion over
And Adam said unto God,
You want me to put 'em down,
or merely hold them
until thy judgement
and thy wrath
fall upon them
Book of Armaments, chapter two, verses nine to twenty-one:
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this, Thy hand grenade, that with it, Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits... in Thy mercy." And the Lord did grin, and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large chu...
And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three. No more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it."
Amen.
I'm curious to learn exactly when God gave man the right to own firearms. Aside from the Book of Monty Python, is there a scripture somewhere I missed? Assuming there is not, how then did God communicate this new right to mankind? Is it carved in stone somewhere? Written on a wall in a mysterious hand? Or was it just beamed into the heads of gun-owning lunatics as yet another justification for their undoubtedly well stocked arsenals?
Interesting that when it comes to gun ownership, it becomes a God given right. When it comes to most anything else, God is to be kept out of it.
Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition.
Mame wrote:cjhsa wrote:pachelbel wrote:...Americans don't have to take gun safety courses when they buy a gun.
In Canada, do you have to take a safety class before you can buy a big, sharp chef's knife at the mall? What about table saws? Do table saws come with child proof safes up north?
Table saws and chef knives aren't weapons. Obviously a knife could be used as one, but that's not what they're designed for. The same thing cannot be said about guns,
Totally irrelevant to the question of whether they are dangerous enough to require a safety course before use.
Mame wrote:and I'm sure more deaths occur from a single gunshot than a single stab wound. I'm also sure that you can kill more people in 2 minutes with a gun than you can with a chef's knife.
Nonsense!
pachelbel wrote:America: just go get a gun, in most states. Three day wait for Calif. No classes taught on gun safety or gun owner responsibility.
Is that the reason America is such a violent country? Access to weapons is too easy?
No. That is the reason we are the only free country.
pachelbel wrote:I think that's a major reason.
As usual, you are completely wrong.
pachelbel wrote:You have to pass a test to get a license to drive a car. Why is it such a big deal to pass a test to carry a lethal weapon?
You can get a CCW without having to pass a test?
Where?
If you guys don't know what "god-given right" means, it would have been more seemly to try to educate yourselves instead of ridiculing what you don't understand.
"God-given right" is just another way of referring to a "natural right" or a "human right".
oralloy wrote:If you guys don't know what "god-given right" means, it would have been more seemly to try to educate yourselves instead of ridiculing what you don't understand.
"God-given right" is just another way of referring to a "natural right" or a "human right".
As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.
God-given rights are rights that originate from God. For example, in the Bible, God spells out what rights Israel may enjoy, from birthrights to a right to life to a right to a fair trial before judges.
You chose your words. If you now feel ridiculed and foolish, you should have used different words. Funny thing about words, once they are out there you have to live with them.
Intrepid wrote:As usual, you don't know what you are talking about.
You shouldn't run around falsely accusing people of your own ignorance.
Intrepid wrote:You chose your words. If you now feel ridiculed and foolish, you should have used different words. Funny thing about words, once they are out there you have to live with them.
I see. You choose to ridicule what you don't understand instead of educating yourself. Perhaps you are education-proof.
While it is true that I choose my own words, it is worth noting that among the many many things that you can't comprehend is "who said what".
