Does "Bush bashing" bother you?

Greyfan
They will if you vote republican.

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Fine Scrat, but I was addressing what you said here:
"but that these people consistently fail to bring their intellect to bear on assessing the probable outcome and likely collateral damage of the actions they advocate based on those noble intentions",

which was obviously mistaken given most of the rest of my post. I am happy to allow you to leave out that last 'opinion' part of it. But the facts remain, and you are wrong.
We come up with the good ideas, and you guys begrudgingly accept them long after the populace has. For example, again:
"Consider a short and incomplete list of 20th-century liberal triumphs, all vehemently opposed by conservatives at the time: the Federal Reserve System; the federal income tax; women's suffrage; federal deposit insurance; Social Security; the investor protections of the Securities Acts of 1933 and `34; public power; unemployment compensation; the minimum wage; child labor laws; the 40-hour work week; the Wagner Act, which gave private-sector workers collective bargaining rights; the Civil Rights Act; the Voting Rights Act; federal fair housing laws; Medicare; federally sponsored guaranteed student loan programs; Head Start; food stamps.
Can we really imagine turning back the clock on these achievements? Apparently the Republican leadership can't. In fact, every Republican president since Herbert Hoover has done more to extend the liberal state than to roll it back".
Obviously the "core", as you say, of the democratic party knows what it's doing! Why don't you just let us worry about the important things, hmm?

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Fine Scrat, but I was addressing what you said here:
"but that these people consistently fail to bring their intellect to bear on assessing the probable outcome and likely collateral damage of the actions they advocate based on those noble intentions",

which was obviously mistaken given most of the rest of my post. I am happy to allow you to leave out that last 'opinion' part of it. But the facts remain, and you are wrong.
We come up with the good ideas, and you guys begrudgingly accept them long after the populace has. For example, again:
"Consider a short and incomplete list of 20th-century liberal triumphs, all vehemently opposed by conservatives at the time: the Federal Reserve System; the federal income tax; women's suffrage; federal deposit insurance; Social Security; the investor protections of the Securities Acts of 1933 and `34; public power; unemployment compensation; the minimum wage; child labor laws; the 40-hour work week; the Wagner Act, which gave private-sector workers collective bargaining rights; the Civil Rights Act; the Voting Rights Act; federal fair housing laws; Medicare; federally sponsored guaranteed student loan programs; Head Start; food stamps.
Can we really imagine turning back the clock on these achievements? Apparently the Republican leadership can't. In fact, every Republican president since Herbert Hoover has done more to extend the liberal state than to roll it back".
Obviously the "core", as you say, of the democratic party knows what it's doing! Why don't you just let us worry about the important things, hmm? :wink:

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Scrat wrote:

Frank - You know I was just having fun with you, and of course, hoping you might gain something from seeing your words from the other side. I enjoy a lot of your input here, and don't feel like spoiling that quibbling over this. If you like, I'll concede that the Tories were in the wrong, and hope that satisfies any blood debt you think I owe for my impertinence. :wink:

Scrat

You may have gotten me wrong here.

I tried to fashion my reply to you in as inoffensive a fashion as possible. I, like Nimh, thought the two posts were funny juxtaposed to one another.

And I, like you, hoped something might be gained from the levity.

You took my words about the conservatives of America being wrong in the major confrontations facing the Republic and turned it around.

Funny...but inaccurate.

The American conservatives HAVE been on the wrong side of the major issues facing this nation.

So I posted to that.

We've agree that the American conservatives of revolutionary times certainly were. I'm sure you have no higher regard for the conservatives of the Civil War era either. You know those American conservatives! The ones arguing that individual states had rights and the federal government had no right to tell them whether or not they could keep and traffic in human beings.

All said in as light-hearted a fashion as I can muster. I respect your posts...and we're having a bit of fun here. But we are also trying to make some important points to each other -- and to those listening in.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

You may have gotten me wrong here.

Actually, I was a bit concerned I may have piqued your ire a bit (glad I didn't) but I don't think I misunderstood you. The thing is, I didn't think it useful to get off on the tangent you offered here. I did mistake your tone a bit, but I see it better now.

Would you be willing to create a new discussion for the subject you've raised? I think it would be interesting. Let me know, and I'll join in. Perhaps you might want to copy and paste from this one to set it up?

Regards,
Scratman

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Okay, Scrat, you got it.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=649896#649896

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"Two big announcements coming out of Washington DC. The tour of duty for 20,000 troops in Iraq may be extended. That's too bad. And the other announcement, the tour of duty for President Bush may not be extended."

David Letterman

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"CIA Director George Tenet has now testified before the 9/11 commission and he said we are still making the same dumb mistakes, like leaving memos on the President's desk."

Letterman

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"Last night, President Bush gave a prime-time press conference. It was such a big deal that Fox decided to preempt American Idol. Which made sense to me, you don't want too many amateurs on in one night."

Letterman

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"Every Monday after Easter, they have the big Easter Egg hunt at the White House. This is interesting, the kids out there found strong evidence of Easter Eggs, but no actual eggs."

Letterman

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"President Bush earned $400,000 for his job as president last year. That's not really that much for being president when you think about it. But President Bush, he doesn't do it for the money, he does it for the eight months of vacation every year."

Jay Leno

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"This week, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney released their tax returns. Cheney made more money than the president. When asked about it, the president said, 'That's true, but he also made more decisions.'"

Conan O'Brien

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I enjoyed one of the cartoons in this past weekends paper. It shows president Bush saying something, and the caption reads, nobody saw cheney move his mouth.

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BBB
The real story of Iraq: Bad Days Ahead

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23221&highlight=&sid=13c0ca4325b946fe317b9bc6e3947c16

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Re: BBB

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

The real story of Iraq: Bad Days Ahead

Perhaps I'm wrong, but you sure seem eager to latch onto any bad news or apocalyptic predictions regarding the war in Iraq. I can't quite dismiss the nagging feeling that some people actually want the US to lose this war.

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I was unaware that there were a war to lose. As i recall, we were told the war had been won a year ago. Is there a new war on, Shirley, which is yet to be won or lost?

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Scrat
Scrat, perhaps you are wrong is right. I'm surprised and disappointed that someone as smart as you has not realized I'm interested in the real facts of what is going on in Iraq, not the political spin by those with a conflict of interest with such information. That's the only way a just and lasting resolution of the conflict can be resolved.

As to your opinion that I want the US to lose the Iraq war: I opposed this war before and after it began. But we are there, and I fully support our troops in their efforts to carry out the Commander in Chief's orders.

As anyone knows who has been in combat, most military aren't fighting in a war in the name of the political pronouncements of the leader. They fight to protect each other and keep their comrads alive.

BBB

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Re: Scrat

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

Scrat, perhaps you are wrong is right. I'm surprised and disappointed that someone as smart as you has not realized I'm interested in the real facts of what is going on in Iraq, not the political spin by those with a conflict of interest with such information. That's the only way a just and lasting resolution of the conflict can be resolved.

BBB

That's good to hear, but I wonder whether you can point me to a recent citation by you of positive news regarding the war in Iraq? If you are only interested in the facts, as you say, reason would suggest that you'd be considering, and pointing the rest of us to, both sides of the question. I've only seen you post negative news and negative predictions about Iraq, but I may well have missed something.

So, please point me to your posts containing news or analysis that suggests the war is going well and the US is doing a good job. Thanks!

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Scrat
You seemed to have missed my point. I have nothing good to say about the origination of the war nor its conduct by the leadership making policy and giving orders.

If you were making a fair judgement, you would recall my many posts about what is needed to protect our troops. I support our troops, but not necessarily those in command and control.

BBB

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You're not half wrong Scrat. Hope and fear. The Left is trying to justify their pessimism with apocalyptic predictions. Fear. The right is shoring up their position with rosy messages of: hope. Perhaps you and I can step into the middle of the ring and say this as united Americans. We hope that no more blood is shed in the quest for Democracy for the Iraqui people and we fear that we may have overstepped our role as world peace-keepers. Would this be difficult for you to say?

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Setanta wrote:

I was unaware that there were a war to lose. As i recall, we were told the war had been won a year ago. Is there a new war on, Shirley, which is yet to be won or lost?

The war on personal freedoms, the war on privacy, the war on healthcare, the war on education,the war on quality of life in our golden years, the war on John Q. Public, all being waged on us by our own elected officials, aided and abetted by a large frightened and cowed segment of the general public. That's just my opinion but I'm sticking to it.

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Well, in that case, Bear, i do sincerely hope that "we lose."

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Re: Scrat

BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:

You seemed to have missed my point. I have nothing good to say about the origination of the war nor its conduct by the leadership making policy and giving orders.

If you were making a fair judgement, you would recall my many posts about what is needed to protect our troops. I support our troops, but not necessarily those in command and control.

BBB

I wasn't questioning your "support" of anything. I was noting that you seem interested only in citing news or analysis that paints the worst picture of the situation in Iraq. You complained in response that you are purely interested "in the real facts of what is going on in Iraq". If that were true, you'd be equally interested in good news and bad news, positive and negative analysis. In reality, you are not. You are focused only on the bad, which suggests to me that you are more interested in seeing the US fail. That was MY point, which you seem to have missed. :wink:

There is positive and negative news coming out of Iraq. If you are only interested in the negative news, you might want to stop and consider why.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Setanta wrote:
I was unaware that there were a war to lose. As i recall, we were told the war had been won a year ago. Is there a new war on, Shirley, which is yet to be won or lost?

The war on personal freedoms, the war on privacy, the war on healthcare, the war on education,the war on quality of life in our golden years, the war on John Q. Public, all being waged on us by our own elected officials, aided and abetted by a large frightened and cowed segment of the general public. That's just my opinion but I'm sticking to it.

Don't forget the war on reality. :wink:

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Scat
Scat, have you selected failed to remember my posts about the good things happening in Iraq.

You might want to think about why your memory is so selective.

BBB

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