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Does "Bush bashing" bother you?

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 16 Oct, 2003 06:26 pm
Scrat wrote:
We should all follow the simple rule known as Hanlon's Razor:

"Do not attribute to malice that which can be more easily attributed to stupidity."


Exclamation Gonna add that one to my list of sigs! :-)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2003 12:41 pm
Here's some ultimate bashing.

Excerpt

It's amazing how bold some people become when they log on to the Internet.

It's even more amazing how many of these same individuals seem to forget that messages posted on web sites or bulletin boards may stick around for years to come, and have the potential to cause great trouble for them both now and in the future.

They are also apparently unaware that there are limits to free speech.

Take Kevin Lindquist from Longwood, Florida, for instance. One of his postings at (http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux/2003-09/0591.html) reads:
"Get your KillPresidentBush.com e-mail address! Now you can impress all your friends with your very own [email protected] e-mail address. Only $20.00 a year! We will start operating in November so send in your money fast kids! Checks and Money Orders at this time only. Include user name you would like and send to: KillPresidentBush.com, c/o Kevin Lindquist, P.O. Box 915321, Longwood, FL 32791-5321."

Shockingly, the domain name www.killpresidentbush.com (Which I initially thought was a spoof) is actually registered to Lindquist. While the site is not yet in operation (presumably he wants to begin operating in October as he says above) Lindquist was evidently unable to wait to spread his venom.

Full story
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2003 03:28 pm
And yet we are to believe that liberals are filled with sweetness and goodness and light, and that conservatives are the ones filled with hate and venom.

Which leads us yet again back to my point that liberalism is a belief system based upon a denial of available facts and evidence as to the nature of our world. Confused
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Brand X
 
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Reply Tue 21 Oct, 2003 04:52 pm
Pretty much.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2004 08:38 am
Even though I am extremely ambivalent in terms of Bush, I become very annoyed when people appear to attack, merely what seems to be for the sake of attack. It seems that the intent is to create a, "where there is smoke, there is fire" sort of scenario, which makes it so much more difficult to winnow out fact from hype.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 03:16 pm
Phoenix - Some people don't care for the facts. I've noted over time that you are not one of these. For the others, facts sometimes help them achieve their goals, but sometimes get in the way. Fabrications and hyperbole on the other hand can always be crafted to suit one's ends. So, if you are more concerned with getting rid of Bush than determining what real effect his presidency is having and weighing the good and the bad, facts are going to be less convenient to you than are non-facts.
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Portal Star
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 07:14 pm
He's such an easy target. I actually think Bush has done a great deal less harm to America than many of our past presidents - Clinton really sucked but his approval ratings were high. (I'm not talking about the stupid distraction blowjob, I'm talking about opening trade with China - whose human rights are nonexistant, about bieng a one-worlder, ignoring foreign affairs - which are his most important job as president(other than opening trade with china), and he and his wife being involved in embezzlement and two murderers.)

When Bush is stupid he is stupid publicly. In some ways that is less dangerous. I do think somthing needed to be done to stop fundamentalists (who we put in power - it was our fault - we gave them weapons to fight the soviets...)

I also traverse the art world - and a suprising number of pieces center around mocking Bush.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 07:26 pm
Most people I know who "bash" Bush do so out of genuine concern for the direction his administration is leading the country. If Bush had not lied to get us into Iraq; if he had not gotten so many people killed there for no supportable reason; if he were not so hell bent on removing so much of the safety net for the citizens; if he spent money reasonably instead of putting it out as fast as it can be shoveled out; if there had been no chicanery in Florida - if if if if - - - The man is a loose cannon. If people such as myself are considered by conservatives to be a Bush basher or an America hater they are mistaken. I speak against Bush and misguided policies because I love my home, which many of my ancestors populated long before any Europeans came to America. I don't buy the myth that liberals hate America at all.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 08:21 pm
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Most people I know who "bash" Bush do so out of genuine concern for the direction his administration is leading the country. If Bush had not lied to get us into Iraq; if he had not gotten so many people killed there for no supportable reason; if he were not so hell bent on removing so much of the safety net for the citizens; if he spent money reasonably instead of putting it out as fast as it can be shoveled out; if there had been no chicanery in Florida - if if if if - - - The man is a loose cannon. If people such as myself are considered by conservatives to be a Bush basher or an America hater they are mistaken. I speak against Bush and misguided policies because I love my home, which many of my ancestors populated long before any Europeans came to America. I don't buy the myth that liberals hate America at all.


I agree with what he said. Except my ancestors were one of the Europeans that came to America, but it was France so maybe that explains it? :wink:
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 08:23 pm
'Bother' me?

Hell no, it doesn't 'bother' me.

Did eight years of bashing our last elected President 'bother' anyone?

I didn't think so...
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 08:25 pm
You got that right, did.
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unknown man
 
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Reply Mon 1 Mar, 2004 09:40 pm
Well, it does bother me. But for a good reason, that I'm tired of hearing the same old arguments, I want to hear some creativity! The only person who isn't always old is Trudeu.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 08:09 am
This was in my inbox and I thought it would be good to post it somewhere just so it doesn't get lost.

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FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on!
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:31 am
Re: Does "Bush bashing" bother you?
McGentrix wrote:
I was brought up to respect the president, whether I agreed with his policies or not.

So you respect Bill Clinton?
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:32 am
Re: Does "Bush bashing" bother you?
McGentrix wrote:
........I was brought up to respect the president, whether I agreed with his policies or not. I guess that comes from the Military/Boy Scouts upbringing.......


This ingrained sheep complex explains alot. Thanks for coming out, McG.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:49 am
Respect is something we earn. Do you think that bumblestilskin has earned our respect? IMO he has earned our and the rest of the worlds disdain.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 09:57 am
Bush has earned my respect in some areas, and my displeasure in others. The same was true of Clinton. (But then, I'm not the unthinking partisan that some people clearly are.) Cool
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:00 am
Really, McG, are you attempting to resurrect Bob Dole's canard about "Democrat wars?"

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

False. Germany declared war on the United States on December 11, 1941. Germany initiated hostilities against the U.S.

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

Laughably false. Truman did not "start" the Korean War. Although the North Korean invasion was not a direct attack on the U.S. mainland, U.S. troops were actively involved in the fighting from the beginning. Furthermore, Truman received UN backing for the war; Bush, for his part, promised he would force a vote of the UN Security Council, "no matter what the whip count," but never followed through.

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Actually, American involvement in Southeast Asia started in the Truman administration. But it's true that North Vietnam never attacked us -- and this is being held up as an example that we should follow???

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us.

That's odd: the previous entries all tallied up the casualty statistics of these "Democrat wars." I wonder why the parallelism of this post suddenly stops here. Oh, maybe because there were no American combat fatalities in the Bosnia operation?

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

I hope everyone is beginning to see the irony here. McGentrix wants to have a thread decrying "Bush-bashing," yet he can't seem to restrain himself from gratuituous Clinton-bashing. When will you conservatives admit it: Clinton owns you!

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

Hmmm, where to begin? Kabul has, perhaps, been liberated; Afghanistan is still up for grabs. The Taliban is certainly not "crushed," and Osama is still on the loose. Bush has not put a single nuclear inspector in Libya, Iran, or North Korea (any nuclear inspectors in those countries are there under the auspices of the IAEA).

McGentrix's e-mail wrote:
We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on!

"Come on?" Isn't that supposed to be "bring it on!"?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:40 am
Re: Does "Bush bashing" bother you?
joefromchicago wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I was brought up to respect the president, whether I agreed with his policies or not.

So you respect Bill Clinton?


Attribute ONE quote from ME bashing BILL Clinton (His wife on the other hand...)
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 Mar, 2004 10:41 am
Re: Does "Bush bashing" bother you?
IronLionZion wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
........I was brought up to respect the president, whether I agreed with his policies or not. I guess that comes from the Military/Boy Scouts upbringing.......


This ingrained sheep complex explains alot. Thanks for coming out, McG.


Rolling Eyes Boy, you sure "zinged" me there! I hope you feel better about yourself for it.
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