Foxfyre wrote:Quote:Can the results of this poll be considered Bush bashing?
Stating the results of the poll is not Bush bashing. But the poll results are most certainly the result of Bush bashing. The very young, the very naive, and the hold-overs from the anti-institutional, anti-traditionalist 60's and 70's are easily swayed by negative propaganda and refuse to even consider anything that doesn't support it.
What an interesting comment. Change to to: the old, the bitter , the ignorant, and those who value tradition over innovation, regardless of its value are easily swayed by pablum from the administration and promises it wil take care of them, and refuse to accept evidence that the emperor is indeed nude, and you have the perfect portrait of Bush supporters.
The same can be said of the right wing conservative legions...as a matter of fact I have very clear memories of being personally attacked because I had the nerve to criticize Nixon for usurping executive power and privilige. Much nastier than a White House blow job...if that's how we're going to rate our presidents.
Lies and deceit are acceptable as long as they do not involve sex. If that is so than we should impeach Bush since he is shoving it up the nations ______
Yeah, well, I'm just a communist (or terrorist, or (insert epithet here)).
Yes I've seen the portions of the text of the PDB being released to the media. And it seems entirely consistent with Condoleeza Rice's testimony to the 9/11 commission. Are you seeing something I don't see?
The Lord knows I've written my share of angry letters to the White House and to my congressperson and senators from New Mexico since Bush took office. But there is a huge difference between thinking, stating/explaining why a particular policy is wrong and assuming that the whole administration is flawed and everything they do is evil.
The former I'll happily discuss with anybody. The latter I will continue to believe hurts America and gives great comfort and encouragement to our enemies.
Well, I can't think of one thing I approve of since Bush took office, so to me, everything he does is rotten. I felt the same way with is daddy. At least Reagin was a president that I thought had some good points. So I'm not automatically anti Republican. The whole Bush family is just rotten to the core.
Foxfyre wrote:The Lord knows I've written my share of angry letters to the White House and to my congressperson and senators from New Mexico since Bush took office. But there is a huge difference between thinking, stating/explaining why a particular policy is wrong and assuming that the whole administration is flawed and everything they do is evil.
The former I'll happily discuss with anybody. The latter I will continue to believe hurts America and gives great comfort and encouragement to our enemies.
You are certainly entitled to live out your citizenship the way you choose...but to be perfectly honest with you, this administration is absolutely the worst stewardship of that office I have personally lived through.
Bush is goddam near illiterate. I'd rather listen to somone scratching his/her nails across a blackboard than listen to him speak. I am embarrassed that he represents our country to the world.
I loathe what this administration is doing to our integrity and to the way nations ought to conduct business with one another.
AND I DO NOT THINK THAT ATTITUDE ENCOURAGES OUR ENEMIES -- I THINK PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO DEFEND THIS MORON AND THIS PATHETIC ADMINISTRATION WHO DO THAT.
Other than that, I certainly wish you well.
Peace!
I personally have spent very little time bashing Bush, because I don't think it is an efficient use of my limited time and energy, and at least as far as affecting what his supporters think, its like talking to a wall.
I also have faith that the independent votes, those Americans whose allegiance is to the nation rather than their personal religion/ideology, will see the emperor has no clothes in spite of the din and clatter from both the left and right. Hopefully, they will see the light before the next election, but if not, so be it; the voters deserve the government they choose, and we all bring different priorites and values to the table.
But here is why Bush scares me personally more than Clinton: he thinks God is guiding his administration. He thinks his decisions are Righteous, and Holy. He is, as he has said many times, going to Stay the Course, regardless of the consequences, because He Knows He is Right (meaning, On God's Side). He is, in other words, an American mirror image of Osama Bin Ladin, who operates under the same sort of delusions.
Clinton (and Kerry) has been accused here of being swayed by the will of the people --as though flexibility and pragmatism were bad things, and diplomacy a sign of weakness in the great Holy War, rather than the earmarks of true civilization, in which war is a last, rather than first, resort.
It has been asked why those of us who are anti-Bush can't acknowledge any good things about the Bush presidency, and while some have replied that they can't think of anything good he has accomplished, my reply is a refusal even to look, because the stakes are too high. The philosophical differences between this administration and my own views are too great, and those philosophical differences are the basis of my opposition. On those grounds, comparisons between his specific acts and similar acts of Clinton or other administrations become specious; motives matter to me more than actions do. If this view is hypocritical, then I'm a hypocrite.
I don't hate George Bush as a person; I wish him a long and happy retirement back in Texas, the sooner the better.
Well said. I like the way you think!
BPB
BPB, I see you've noticed that.
BBB
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BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:BPB, I see you've noticed that.
BBB
A distinguished panel consisting of Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Helen Keller and Ronnie McDowell have seen it......
It's not too late for this thread: "Does Clinton Bashing Bother You?"
Personally, I don't like political bashing of any sort. What it accomplishes, IMO, is to cloud a lot of the issues.
Once the election was settled, I made a conscious effort to be "the loyal opposition," not a Bush basher. I had long since vowed to give any president the first three years to prove himself/herself. But, Bush spun out of orbit so quickly I felt I had to break my vow that first year. I long for the time when one could oppose a president in a friendly but partisan way, but that time is apparently gone for the forseeable future. I will bash this president until he is out of office.
Edgar
Bash away, Edgar. You have such an elegant way of doing it.
BBB
