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Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 12:26 pm
More with jucier bits:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/top_gop_staffer.html

Quote:
Top GOP Staffer Forced Out for Role in Page Scandal

October 04, 2006 1:44 PM

Brian Ross and Rhonda Schwartz Report:

Jake Tapper contributed to this report.

The chief of staff for Republican Congressman Tom Reynolds, Kirk Fordham, resigned after questions were raised about his role in the handling of the congressional page scandal, according to Republican sources on Capitol Hill.

Those sources said Fordham, a former chief of staff for Congressman Mark Foley, had urged Republican leaders last spring not to raise questionable Foley e-mails with the full Congressional Page Board, made up of two Republicans and a Democrat.

"He begged them not to tell the page board," said one of the Republican sources.

People familiar with Fordham's side of the story, however, said Fordham was being used as a scapegoat by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert.

They said Fordham had repeatedly warned Hastert's staff about Foley's "problem" with pages, but little was done.


The complaint about Foley was brought to the chairman of the page board, Congressman John Shimkus (R-IL), last spring, and he then consulted with the Clerk of the House of Representatives, Jeff Trandahl.

At Fordham's urging, according to the sources, the matter was not given to the full board, and instead Congressman Foley was privately approached and told to stop all contact with the page he had been e-mailing.

"This is something we should have been aware of, and we weren't, and I'm very unhappy about that," said Congresswoman Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), who also serves on the page board.

The Democrat on the page board, Congressman Dale Kildee (D-MI), said it was "unprecedented" to have handled the matter without informing the board members.


Fordham was also instrumental in orchestrating Foley's abrupt resignation last week hours after ABC News confronted the congressman with sexually explicit instant messages allegedly sent to pages.

Fordham offered ABC News a deal if it would not publish the content of the instant messages.

"He said we could have the exclusive on the resignation if we did not run direct quotes from the instant messages," said Maddy Sauer, the ABC News producer who dealt with Fordham.

ABC News refused to make any such deal.

Capitol Hill sources say Fordham's resignation was demanded by Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, whose job is on the line because of his handling of the page scandal.

Repeated phone calls to Fordham for comment have not been returned.


Hmm, the money quote:

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They said Fordham had repeatedly warned Hastert's staff about Foley's "problem" with pages, but little was done


'repeatedly' kind of puts a new light on this, doesn't it?

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 12:30 pm
The ICD-10 (F65.4) defines it as "a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age."

TvWiki says among others:
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[...]In the United States and some other countries, the term is sometimes used to describe people attracted to adolescents, especially in regard to sexual activities. However, most medical definitions of pedophilia limit it to adults with a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
... ... ...


From a powerpoint presentation by the Department of Psychiatry, 1st Faculty of Medicine, Charles University, Prague:

Quote:
F65.4 Paedophilia

Paedophilia - a sexual preference for children, boys or girls or both, usually of prepubertal or early pubertal age
An isolated incident, especially if the perpetrator is himself an adolescent, does not establish the presence of the persistent or predominant tendency required for the diagnosis.





The definition according to DSM-IV:
Quote:
Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia
(cautionary statement)
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).

B. The person has acted on these urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.

C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:20 pm
AP:

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Report: Hastert's office warned about Foley two years ago

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A senior congressional aide said Wednesday that he alerted House Speaker Dennis Hastert's office two years ago about worrisome conduct by former Rep. Mark Foley with teenage pages.

Kirk Fordham told The Associated Press that when he was told about Foley's inappropriate behavior toward pages, he had "more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest level of the House of Representatives asking them to intervene."


The conversations took place long before the e-mail scandal broke, Fordham said, and at least a year earlier than members of the House GOP leadership have acknowledged.

Foley resigned last week after he was reported to have sent salacious electronic messages to teenage male pages. He has checked into an undisclosed facility for treatment of alcoholism, leaving behind a mushrooming political scandal and legal investigation.

Fordham submitted his own resignation Wednesday. "I never attempted to prevent any inquiries or investigation," Kirk Fordham said in a statement.

Fordham was once Foley's chief of staff. At the time of his resignation he had been serving in the same capacity for Rep. Tom Reynolds, R-New York, a member of the GOP leadership who has struggled to avoid political damage in the scandal's fallout.

Justice Department launches investigation

Fordham's resignation comes as the Justice Department ordered House officials to "preserve all records" related to disgraced Rep. Mark Foley's electronic correspondence with teenagers, intensifying an investigation into a scandal rocking Republicans five weeks before midterm elections.

Republicans have been struggling to put the scandal behind them, but another member of the leadership, Rep Roy Blunt of Missouri, said pointedly during the day he would have handled the entire matter differently than Speaker Dennis Hastert did, had he known about the complaints when they were first raised last year.

"I think I could have given some good advice here, which is you have to be curious. You have to ask all the questions you can think of," Blunt said. "You absolutely can't decide not to look into activities because one individual's parents don't want you to."

Acting U.S. Attorney Jeff Taylor for the District of Columbia sought protection of the records in a three-page letter to House counsel Geraldine Gennet, according to a Justice official speaking on condition of anonymity.

Such letters often are followed by search warrants and subpoenas, and signal that investigators are moving closer to a criminal investigation.

The request was aimed at averting a conflict with the House similar to a standoff in May when FBI agents raided Louisiana Rep. William Jefferson's office seeking information in a bribery investigation.

FBI interviews former pages

Meanwhile, FBI agents have begun interviewing participants in the House page program, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The official declined to say whether the interviews were limited to current pages or included former pages.

Justice Department spokeswoman Tasia Scolinos stressed that the investigation is still preliminary. Also, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement confirmed that it has begun its own preliminary inquiry. Spokesman Tom Berlinger said the case is in its initial stages and is not a full-blown criminal inquiry.

Fordham played a key role in fast-developing events late last week. Initially, Foley was reported to have written overly friendly -- not sexually explicit -- e-mails to a former Capitol page. A day later, ABC news followed up with a report that said the Florida lawmaker had also sent sexually explicit instant messages to at least one other male page.

He said earlier this week he asked Foley about the sexually explicit instant messages, and the congressman confirmed they were probably his.

"Like so many, I feel betrayed by Mark Foley's indefensible behavior," he said. He blamed Democrats for seeking to make a political issue of the matter in Reynolds' re-election campaign, "and I will not let them do so."
McCain calls for independent investigation

There were signs of concern among Republicans, as well.

Sen. John McCain of Arizona called for a group of former senators and others to investigate how the House handled the affair.

"We need to move forward quickly and we need to reach conclusions and recommendations about who is responsible," McCain said during a campaign speech for Sen. Lincoln Chafee in Rhode Island. "I think it needs to be addressed by people who are credible."

Some other Republicans rallied to the speaker. The chairmen of two coalitions of social and fiscal conservatives in Congress said he should not step down. "Speaker Hastert is a man of integrity," Rep. Mike Pence, R-Indiana, and Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pennsylvania, said in a joint statement. (GOP rallies around speaker)

Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-Louisiana, the congressman who sponsored the page at the heart of the furor, said Hastert "knew about the e-mails that we knew about," including one in which Foley asked the page to send his picture. But he quickly backed off that comment, saying he discussed the e-mails with Hastert's aides, not the speaker himself.

"I guess that's a poor choice of words that I made there," he told AP.

Hastert has insisted he not know about the e-mails that were discussed with his staff.

Representative says Hastert's staff knew about e-mail

Alexander said in an interview he first took up the matter after receiving press inquiries in November, when he told Hastert's staff and the parents of the 16-year-old boy who received the e-mails. The parents wanted the correspondence stopped but apparently did not want to take the matter further.

After a second round of press inquiries in the spring, Alexander said, he again notified the family and discussed the e-mails with the new majority leader, John Boehner of Ohio, on the House floor during a vote.

Alexander said Boehner turned first to Reynolds, the architect of the Republican midterm election strategy.

"I went to Boehner before Reynolds," Alexander told AP. "He sent Reynolds to me to talk about it. Within a minute Reynolds and I were talking."

Boehner and Reynolds have both said they had spoken with Hastert about a complaint concerning a former page from Louisiana last spring, after Alexander told them about it.

The uproar that followed Foley's resignation has enveloped Republicans who were already at risk at losing control of Congress in elections five weeks away.

Conservative activist Richard A. Viguerie was among those who called for Hastert to step down. "The fact that they just walked away from this, it sounds like they were trying to protect one of their own members rather than these young boys," Viguerie said on Fox News.

Hastert has he would not quit.

Alexander defended Hastert on Wednesday, as well as his own response.

"Hey, what else was I supposed to do?" Alexander asked. "I was very uncomfortable even talking to somebody in the speaker's office."

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


Wuh-oh. Someone's been lying about when they knew about this problem...

more to come

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:26 pm
Just a simple question, but since when is Hastert any more responsible for reporting crimes than anyone else? If someone knows of a crime, call the cops. And how about Jefferson, involved in obvious crime, has he resigned yet?
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detano inipo
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:26 pm
Bush is dancing around the oval table in the square room. He is happy that nobody speaks if Iraq, his greatest worry.
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What a clever trick this is. A discriminating gay who can't stand 19 or 20 year old boys. They have to be under-age. And Bush is off the hook, Iraq is forgotten.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:26 pm
Floey is just doing what Republicans do. Here's some other examples:

The Moral Or Immoral Leadership Of Republicans - Which Is It?

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.


Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:28 pm
Now Associated Press Labels Foley as a Democrat!
First on Fox, Then on AP! Though Atleast AP Had the Decency to Issue a Correction! http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3572
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:28 pm
okie wrote:
Just a simple question, but since when is Hastert any more responsible for reporting crimes than anyone else? If someone knows of a crime, call the cops. And how about Jefferson, involved in obvious crime, has he resigned yet?


Who cares about the criminal angle; if you had someone who you were the manager of, and you found out about stuff like this, wouldn't you do the most basic investigation to see if the law was broken?

You're basically saying that because Hastert et al decided to look the other way, they don't have any responsiblity in this matter. But I doubt that will fly very far.

As for Jefferson, f*ck that guy. I hope he goes to jail for a long time with a bunch of Mark Foleys.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:28 pm
Go write a book. The same could be done about Democrats. By the way, has Democrat Jefferson resigned yet?
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okie
 
  1  
Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:30 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Just a simple question, but since when is Hastert any more responsible for reporting crimes than anyone else? If someone knows of a crime, call the cops. And how about Jefferson, involved in obvious crime, has he resigned yet?


Who cares about the criminal angle; if you had someone who you were the manager of, and you found out about stuff like this, wouldn't you do the most basic investigation to see if the law was broken?

You're basically saying that because Hastert et al decided to look the other way, they don't have any responsiblity in this matter. But I doubt that will fly very far.

As for Jefferson, f*ck that guy. I hope he goes to jail for a long time with a bunch of Mark Foleys.

Cycloptichorn


If he knew about criminal activity, then Hastert is accountable, as is every other person that knew about it. Fire them all, including all the Democrats that knew about it and did nothing. What is so difficult to understand here?
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:31 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Now Associated Press Labels Foley as a Democrat!
First on Fox, Then on AP! Though Atleast AP Had the Decency to Issue a Correction! http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3572


Old habits aren't easily broken.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:32 pm
okie wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
okie wrote:
Just a simple question, but since when is Hastert any more responsible for reporting crimes than anyone else? If someone knows of a crime, call the cops. And how about Jefferson, involved in obvious crime, has he resigned yet?


Who cares about the criminal angle; if you had someone who you were the manager of, and you found out about stuff like this, wouldn't you do the most basic investigation to see if the law was broken?

You're basically saying that because Hastert et al decided to look the other way, they don't have any responsiblity in this matter. But I doubt that will fly very far.

As for Jefferson, f*ck that guy. I hope he goes to jail for a long time with a bunch of Mark Foleys.

Cycloptichorn


If he knew about criminal activity, then Hastert is accountable, as is every other person that knew about it. Fire them all, including all the Democrats that knew about it and did nothing. What is so difficult to understand here?


Because Hastert is responsible even if he didn't know about any specifics, especially because he may have intentionally not known about any specifics.

What ever happend to 'the buck stops here?' Also, an offense doesn't have to rise to Criminal status for it to be immoral and unethical, and requiring something to have been done about it.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:34 pm
Another point, if Hastert knew of stuff bordering on weird but not a crime, and he tried to have Foley booted for it, no doubt the leftist politically correct crowd and gay rights groups, and probably the Democratic Party would have accused him of being the biggest bigot on earth and asked for him to resign. Can't win anymore.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:36 pm
Same reason there is no ERA amendment. Washington has been playing the gay games for years.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:36 pm
Same reason there is no ERA amendment. Washington has been hosting the the gay games for years.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 02:51 pm
okie wrote:
Another point, if Hastert knew of stuff bordering on weird but not a crime, and he tried to have Foley booted for it, no doubt the leftist politically correct crowd and gay rights groups, and probably the Democratic Party would have accused him of being the biggest bigot on earth and asked for him to resign. Can't win anymore.


How convenient it must be to know that everything fits into such neat boxes. It spares a person of having to think...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:05 pm
What were the ages of consent in 1995?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:09 pm
Back Breaking News©

OCT. 4/06

WITH TOM HENEGHAN

Justice Dept. sources are now confirming that the FBI Inquiry of alleged pedophile Mark Foley reports that email and phone records have now been discovered linking White House political hack Karl Rove to direct communication with Republican Congressman Reynolds (R. NY.), Hassert (R. Illinois), Baynard (R. Ohio) and Frist (R. Tenn.) in the closet.

It can be reported that Karl Rove directly intervened in an attempt to obstruct and cover up the homosexual pedophilia activity of Mark Foley (R. Fla.).

Further Justice Dept. sources close to the investigation report, that emails and phone records have now been discovered in Pensacola Fla. Fingering Governor Jeb Bush with direct communications with Foley regarding his homosexual and pedophilia activity aka these emails. This communications took place well in advance of the story now being reported.

It can also be reported that other emails and phone records have also been discovered linking Foley to communications with Jeb Bush regarding payoffs and bribery involving the Year 2000 U.S. Presidential Elections in the State of Florida.

http://www.cloakanddagger.de/
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:11 pm
haha, blue, don't get too far out ahead of yourself on that one.

Cycloptichorn
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 4 Oct, 2006 03:21 pm
Bloomberg News Service reports:
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White House officials also have been in contact with religious groups, urging them to demonstrate restraint in their statements about the Foley situation to avoid alienating some of the party's most dependable voters.


This is the most telling aspect of the Foley story, in my opinion.
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