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Foley Quits Amid Allegations of Email Sex Scandal

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:11 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I, and I think many others, are not as concerned with the criminality of the issue as we are the morality of the issue - not just the sex (bad enough)

What sex?


C'mon, Timber, you gotta keep up with the news.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html


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but the coverup (even worse).

Partisanship, opinion and preference notwithstanding, no evidence of coverup has been presented.


Of course evidence has been presented! You just are willfully ignoring this evidence.

We know that several top House Republicans knew that Foley had a problem with the pages, and they not only didn't do anything about it, they have conflicting stories as to whether or not there was an investigation, who knew, who told what whom, and when. That is 'evdience' of a coverup right there.

The House Page board wasn't informed that there was a problem and when suspicions were raised, no investiagtion was done - hell, they didn't even tell the Dem on the board and the junior Republican. Doesn't look exactly above-board to me.

Of course, this is all pure partisanship on my part to say that these things are 'evidence' of a coverup. Right.


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I pledge that if any Dems are found out to be involved, I want their goddamned heads on a stick ...

As only is right, regardless of party affilliation - though to be fair its not really a political issue, its an issue of morality and ethics which has been politicized - making the motivation for and timing of its initiation suspect at the very least, again regardless of party affilliation.


Right, because when something negative happens to the Republicans close to the election, it has to be a conspiracy against them, with the Dems and the Media colluding to bring them down.

I mean, listen to yourself! You belong in Freeperville with talk like that.

If holding on to the house was more important than exposing a predator in their midst, then it most certainly is a political issue.



Cycloptichorn
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:12 pm
I didn't mean to submit that twice!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:15 pm
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I don't like information at least of that IM variety being held back for tactical reasons, if it was.


ABC says that they only had the original emails when they first started looking into the story, and when they contacted the pages in question, they were provided the additional IM messages.

But of course, this doesn't really fit into the 'Democratic hit job' narrative that some on the Right have latched onto, so it must be a lie.

Cycloptichorn
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:17 pm
Ah. (Good, then..)
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:50 pm
Once again, Cyclo, what sex (dependends on what "is" is, I suppose)

And what coverup ...

Lotsa allegation, conjecture, and supposition flying around, and plenty of scrambling and ass-covering - but what really has happened? Official investigations have been launched - what proceeds from those investigations will be illuminating - one way or the other. Right now, we've got a lot more smoke than would seem appropriate for the amount of fire in evidence.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 01:59 pm
Foley to page: Do you smoke after sex?
Intern: I don't know, I've never looked.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:03 pm
Foley had cybersex in House chamber, as others prepared for war funding vote

RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday October 3, 2006

Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) was engaging in Internet sex with a high school student in the House chamber as it prepared to vote for an Emergency War Time supplemental appropriations bill, according to a report filed by ABC.

Excerpts from the ABC report follow:

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This message was dated April 2003, at approximately 7 p.m., according to the message time stamp.

Maf54: I miss you
Teen: ya me too
Maf54: we are still voting
Maf54: you miss me too

The exchange continues in which Foley and the teen both appear to describe having sexual orgasms.

Maf54: ok..i better go vote..did you know you would have this effect on me
Teen: lol I guessed
Teen: ya go vote…I don't want to keep you from doing our job
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
Teen: :-*
Teen:

The House voted that evening on HR 1559, Emergency War Time supplemental appropriations.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Foley_had_cybersex_in_House_chamber_1003.html
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:13 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Foley to page: Do you smoke after sex?
Intern: I don't know, I've never looked.


I guess it is easy, for some, to make light of a serious situation. But, did you have to use such an old joke?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:15 pm
Why do you have to follow me around A2K making old comments?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:19 pm
A - I am not following anybody around

B - I thought this was an open forum where anybody could post in any thread.

C - Old comments???

D - If I think a particular remark is warranted.... I will make it.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:31 pm
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 02:45 pm
A little tidbit at the end of the NYT story today on Foley:

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Mr. Ross dismissed suggestions by some Republicans that the news was disseminated as part of a smear campaign against Mr. Foley.

"I hate to give up sources, but to the extent that I know the political parties of any of the people who helped us, it would be the same party," Mr. Ross said, referring to Republicans.

David D. Kirkpatrick contributed reporting.


Hmm, maybe not a Dem conspiracy so much after all

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 03:07 pm
"Foleygate" may derail Republican ticket in Florida

Comments? [email protected]

"FOLEYGATE" MAY DERAIL REPUBLICAN TICKET IN FLORIDA

FALLOUT FROM RESIGNATION OF PEDOPHILE CONGRESSMAN MAY SINK GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE CHARLIE CRIST

(MIAMI, FL)(October 1, 2006) The law of unintended and unexpected consequences is about to sweep across Florida politics like a category 5 hurricane.

At the beginning of last week (September 25th) the question of which Florida Republican was "gay" did not involve U. S. Representative Mark Foley. Rather, interest was focused on gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist.

Both mainstream media (Miami Herald, 8/20/20) and alternative media (Orlando Weekly 9/21/06) had alluded to a 2005 controversy in which Crist was asked point blank if he was gay, responded "no" and later called a radio talk show to deny being a homosexual. Crist stated "No man. No. I love women. I mean, they're wonderful." But no woman has been visible in Crist's life for decades. He denied fathering a child by an emotionally disturbed woman in a Mr. Goodbar encounter in the 1990's.

Then the Foley firestorm ensued.

But Foley is now yesterday's news. Temporarily at least. He has resigned, gone into seclusion and is probably on his way to prison.

Charlie Crist, however, is still a candidate facing a formidable Democratic Party challenger. Crist may have expected that the "gay" issue had dissolved along with the electoral prospects of his primary challenger Tom Gallagher. In a bizarre twist of fate, Foleygate is now likely to focus rapier-sharp attention on Crist's peculiar lifestyle and in particular on the absence of any significant female figure in his life ("mom" doesn't count).

Crist was briefly married decades ago. To date, his former "wife" has never been quoted or even identified. I expect Florida media will be making massive efforts to locate the former spouse and to pose the question: did you divorce Charlie after seven months of "marriage" because you discovered he was gay? What did cause the end of your seven-month marriage?

As I indicated in my earlier column on Foleygate (see PoliticalGateway.com or ContrarianCommentary.com) I knew Mark Foley well in the 1990's. Mark often had female arm candy on display. Crist is peculiar in that he has not even gone to the extent of brandishing a Foley-style female companion.

In the wake of the explosive and embarrassing impact of Foley's resignation, are Florida voters more or less likely to support another Republican with a blank slate on human relationships? The answer is obvious and apodictic.

A simple Google search reflects that Crist's sexuality has been a matter of intense concern for both the right and left. Gay rights groups, moreover, who were burned when Foley's sexuality embarrassingly morphed from homosexuality into pedophilia, may take preemptive action to force Crist's hand, to avoid another "Foley surprise."

My prediction: Crist's "lifestyle" is about to become the focal point of the Florida gubernatorial campaign, and Crist will inevitably be asked questions about his sexuality in campaign debates between Crist and his Democratic opponent. How the issue plays out will decide whether Democrats retake the Florida governorship. Crist's "lifestyle" may fuel the "hypocrisy gap" which has emerged from Foley's anti-gay posturing at a time when he was seeking the company of underage males.

For Democrats, Mark Foley's resignation from Congress, and the inevitable follow-ups, will be the gift that keeps on giving. Today I checked the Miami Herald, where a gay beat reporter has posted 2003 messages from Foley to prospective male lovers. On and on it goes.

It is a given that both the media and gay community knew much more about Foley than ever reached public awareness. The same may be true with Crist. In Crist's case, even if he is not gay, attention focused on his nomadic lifestyle may be sufficient to defeat him and discolor the Republican Party's ticket. Crist lives in a rented apartment, owns virtually nothing, and has ambiguous relationships with women, none of whom have reached any prominence in his life for decades. It is not a pretty picture even if he does not, a la Foley, hang out in bars where men are the primary occupants.

Despite his protestations, Crist is obviously not leading a "normal" lifestyle by either gay or heterosexual standards. In a party where "Family Values" have become a leg iron, Charlie Crist's personal lifestyle reflects the most "anti-family" existence of any major party candidate in America this year.

At the beginning of last week, Charlie's peculiarities were of secondary importance. Today those concerns have become the paramount issue in the gubernatorial race. The terrible swift sword of unintended consequences may have struck a mortal blow at Crist.

Charlie, you've got a problem.

Category 5? Foleygate may yet become a Category 10 hurricane for Florida Republicans and gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:05 pm
Apparently, either The Dems are so ignorant as to not know the difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia, or if they do know the difference, their incessant mischaracterization of what is known to have happened is mendacious.

More partisan opinionating of a "They said/We said" sort, this from a principal:

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Hastert on Foley: 'We Thought It Was Resolved'
By Nathan Burchfiel
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 03, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Under fire from Democrats and even some Republicans, House Speaker Dennis Hastert called into the Rush Limbaugh show Tuesday to defend Republican leaders' handling of the scandal that led to the resignation of Florida Rep. Mark Foley.

Foley resigned Friday after ABC News released sexually explicit e-mails and text messages that Foley sent to underage male congressional pages.

Hastert has come under fire over allegations that he and other Republicans knew about the inappropriate contact as many as three years ago.

Hastert told Limbaugh that Republican leaders knew only about one set of e-mails Foley sent to a former page from Louisiana. The e-mails were not sexually explicit, but Foley suggested that the page send him pictures of himself.

Hastert said Republican leaders were informed of the e-mails and resolved the situation.

"We went to Foley, told him to stand down, don't do this," Hastert said. "We asked him if there was any sexually explicit language in this message, and there was not."

"We went to Foley, confronted him," Hastert said, adding that Foley said "he wouldn't do it anymore."

"We thought we had this thing resolved," Hastert told Limbaugh.

Hastert said Republican leaders were never aware of the more sexually explicit text message Foley sent to another former page. "We never knew about it," Hastert said.

If, on investigation, what Hastert says proves to be not mere smokescreen, the allegations of Republican Coverup go up in smoke.

It will be interesting indeed to follow the developments as they occur - and more interesting yet to compare those developments to the assorted spinterpretations swarming around them.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:11 pm
Here are the messages that brought down the Grand Old Pediphile (GOP).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15077103/
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:13 pm
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If, on investigation, what Hastert says proves to be not mere smokescreen, the allegations of Republican Coverup go up in smoke.


It is interesting to hear Hastert say 'We thought we had this thing resolved.' Because they apparently didn't look into it deeply at all - noone looked at the emails themselves, there was no investigation, nothing.

I don't buy the 'the parents wanted it over, and that's it' line either. It sidesteps the fact that there is a responsibility to other parents to check the guy out, which apparently was not done at all.

It is difficult to see how Hastert can come out of this one okay, no matter what else comes out; at best, he was complicit in hiding this. At worst, he was incompetent when it came to dealing with an important issue. More importantly for him, however, is the fact that he is going to have to face a reckoning, not from the Media or Dems, but from his own party on this issue.

Here's the Corner talking about the initial emails which are being downplayed as 'friendly:'

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTg4NDkxZWExMDFhZWZjNzEyN2Q3ZTA4ZTM1YzMzMmU=

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Hastert said yesterday that "I wish we had more information at a time that we could have done something different, but we did the best we can with the information we had." If his aides wanted more information, maybe they should have demanded it.


Ramesh is right; Hastert could have had all the information that he wanted on the issue, if they had bother to do even a cursory investigation.

Note that Alexander and Shimkus have a lot of answering to do as well.

Cycloptichorn
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:14 pm
timberlandko, pretending only Dems are angry over this is a futile delusion. Hastert and other ranking Republicans failed to act to protect Pages and for political reasons. Criminal negligence on their part imo.
"Citizens group says Hastert should quit"
Advocacy coalition: Foley's sex talk needed investigation at the start

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


An organization of conservatives says House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert and other Republican leaders who knew there was a problem with former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, but didn't thoroughly investigate, should resign.

"Speaker Hastert had knowledge of Congressman Foley's inappropriate behavior and chose to protect a potential pedophile and powerful colleague over a congressional page," said David Bossie, president of conservative advocacy group Citizens United, today.

(Story continues below)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52251
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:17 pm
timberlandko wrote:
"We went to Foley, told him to stand down, don't do this," Hastert said. "We asked him if there was any sexually explicit language in this message, and there was not."


How dim are these folks?

"we asked him"

Please.

It would have been easy enough to get the stuff to actually read/assess. Any small company manager/owner knows how to get this sort of thing out of someone's computer (or make arrangements to do so)

"we asked him"

<shaking head>
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:18 pm
Gee, it's only been a couple of hours and I have a lot to catch up on.

It is a little trying, the thicket of orchestrated pro and con that happens over any damn thing. Some number of those people might be correct, but mostly it is a kind of blanket placing.

Useless to whine, as data has always been suspect, ever and ever.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 04:31 pm
I would be very interested for Timber to make clear what he considers to be the ethical distinctions between "ephebophilia" and "paedophilia".
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