Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

Perhaps, McTag, this thread is not to your taste and you should avoid it rather then posting in it.

I know I speak only for myself here, but your presence isn't required in this thread if you do not like the subject matter.

And if they back away from the rationale for the war, said William Kristol, editor of the neoconservative magazine Weekly Standard, conservatives may give up their status as the forceful party on national defense, jeopardizing their long-term prospects for a governing majority. "As a political matter, conservatives should try to help Bush succeed because they are not going to get very far distancing themselves from him," Mr. Kristol said....

I've noted a particular comment from Kristol in red. It's very important to understand a fundamental element in what he is arguing here, as he has been doing in recent TV appearances as well.

The argument is that militarism and war benefits the marketing of the Republican Party to the end of electoral gains.

All those American kids, all those women and children blown apart, all the assaults on the constitution, and all for the end of partisan polical power.

We ought to know this guy for what he really is.

I see many of the more rabid lefty posters continuing to post on this thread like they believe their post will be read or replied to.

Imagine that.

You mean like your side has done the past 6 years? No thanks, I will pass on getting "haughtier, angrier and dumber all at the same time," and leave that to you and your brethren.

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November 12, 2006

"Rumsfeld: We can only lose the war in America," not Iraq. Former Rumsfeld friend and Defense Policy Board member Ken Adelman tells the New Yorker that Rumsfeld has been in "deep denial -- deep deep denial" about Iraq from the beginning.

... Within the confines of the policy board, Adelman became blunt about his disenchantment with the Pentagon's management of the war. At the board's meeting this summer, Adelman said, he argued that the American military needed a new strategy.

"I suggested that we were losing the war," Adelman said. "What was astonishing to me was the number of Iraqi professional people who were leaving the country. People were voting with their feet, and I said that it looked like we needed a Plan B. I said, ?'What's the alternative? Because what we're doing now is just losing.' "

Adelman said that Rumsfeld didn't take to the message well. "He was in deep denial?-deep, deep denial. And then he did a strange thing. He did fifteen or twenty minutes of posing questions to himself, and then answering them. He made the statement that we can only lose the war in America, that we can't lose it in Iraq. And I tried to interrupt this interrogatory soliloquy to say, ?'Yes, we are actually losing the war in Iraq.' He got upset and cut me off. He said, ?'Excuse me,' and went right on with it."

http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/005196.html

Yay Chuck!

AUDIO: Richard Perle Insists That Saddam Had Ties To Al Qaeda Because He's ?'Seen The Evidence'

Yesterday, in an interview with NPR, Richard Perle, a prominent neoconservative and leading proponent for the war in Iraq, insisted that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda. He stated that anyone who believes otherwise is "simply wrong" because he's "seen the evidence."

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November 13, 2006
Democrats Push for Troop Cuts Within Months
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and MARK MAZZETTI

WASHINGTON, Nov. 12 ?- Democratic leaders in the Senate vowed on Sunday to use their new Congressional majority to press for troop reductions in Iraq within a matter of months, stepping up pressure on the administration just as President Bush is to be interviewed by a bipartisan panel examining future strategy for the war.

The Democrats ?- the incoming majority leader, Senator Harry Reid of Nevada; the incoming Armed Services Committee chairman, Senator Carl Levin of Michigan; and the incoming Foreign Relations Committee chairman, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware ?- said a phased redeployment of troops would be their top priority when the new Congress convenes in January, even before an investigation of the conduct of the war.

"We need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months," Mr. Levin said in an appearance on the ABC News program "This Week." In a telephone interview later, Mr. Levin added, "The point of this is to signal to the Iraqis that the open-ended commitment is over and that they are going to have to solve their own problems."

The White House signaled a willingness to listen to the Democrats' proposals, with Joshua B. Bolten, the chief of staff, saying in two television appearances that the president was open to "fresh ideas" and a "fresh look." But Mr. Bolten said he could not envision the White House signing on to a plan setting a timetable for the withdrawal of troops.

"You know, we're willing to talk about anything," he said on "This Week." "I don't think we're going to be receptive to the notion there's a fixed timetable at which we automatically pull out, because that could be a true disaster for the Iraqi people. But what we've always been prepared to do, and remain prepared to do, is indeed what Senators Levin and Biden were talking about, is put pressure on the Iraqi government to take over themselves."

The spirited exchanges on the Sunday morning talk shows ?- a staple of weekend life for the political elite here, especially on the Sunday after an election that blew through Washington like a tornado ?- came at a delicate moment for the White House on Iraq. The bipartisan panel on strategy, led by James A. Baker III, the secretary of state under the first President Bush, and Lee Hamilton, a Democratic former congressman, will be at the White House on Monday to begin its final round of interviews.

The panel will meet separately with Mr. Bush and members of his foreign policy team, including the secretaries of state and defense, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency and the director of national intelligence, and will then interview Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain by videoconference. On Tuesday, the group plans to meet with Democratic foreign policy leaders.

The panel is expected to make its recommendations by the end of the year, and Democrats said they did not intend to push a resolution for troop withdrawal until after the report was issued. But after Tuesday's election, in which Republicans took what Mr. Bush has called "a thumping," Democrats used their Sunday appearances to signal that they believed they had a mandate about Iraq and would seize on it.

"The people have spoken in a very, very strong way that they don't buy the administration policy," Mr. Levin said on ABC. Mr. Reid, in an appearance on CBS, said troop redeployment "should start within the next few months."

In June, the Republican-controlled Senate rejected two amendments on troop reductions backed by Democrats. One called for all United States combat troops to be withdrawn within a year. The other, whose sponsors included Mr. Levin, called for troop reductions to start by the end of the year without setting a deadline for complete withdrawal.

In the interview after his television appearance, Mr. Levin said that any resolution about troop reductions in the next session of Congress would not contain detailed benchmarks mandating how many troops should be withdrawn by specific dates.

As Democrats outlined their proposal to reduce the American presence in Iraq, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona and a likely presidential contender for 2008, reiterated his stance that there were not enough American troops there.

Appearing on the NBC program "Meet the Press," Mr. McCain said that "the present situation is unacceptable" but added that any withdrawal from Iraq would create chaos throughout the Middle East.

Mr. McCain, emphasizing the importance of breaking the back of the Mahdi Army, the militia allied with the Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr, said that the Iraqi prime minister "has to understand that we need to put down Sadr, and we need to take care of the Mahdi Army, and we need to stop the sectarian violence that is on the increase in a nonacceptable level, and I think that the best way to assure that is for him to know that we will do what's necessary to bolster the ?- train and equip the Iraqi army, et cetera."

Mr. McCain added, "If we send the signal that we are leaving, of course, he's going to try to make accommodations with others, because he knows what is going to be the inevitable result."

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