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Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

 
 
Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 08:07 am
Could the liberals on A2K please not pollute this thread into an anti-Bush thread? I'd prefer not having to weed through the garbage to read a post in a thread topic I am interested in.

This is a BUSH SUPPORTER thread. If you do not support Bush, please feel free not to read or post here.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 08:10 am
Re: Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III
McGentrix wrote:

This is a BUSH SUPPORTER thread. If you do not support Bush, please feel free not to read or post here.


Why do you post it then here and not in the conservative usergroup???
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 08:11 am
Well that didn't take long.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 08:11 am
Bush's undeclared war

President Bush took his case for freedom, democracy, tolerance and "respect" for Islam to the United Nations. His speech was eloquent at times and uniquely American in its plea for understanding and help in freeing people from oppression in the Middle East.

The only problem with the speech was that most of the oppressors and who knows how many of the "oppressed" see us, not themselves, in bondage to the pursuit of wealth and pleasure. They see even those who claim to be professed believers in God falling short in the way they live; and witness our "decadence" on constant display in our media.

Those critics may be right in their indictment, but they are wrong in their proposed solution, which is the forced subjugation of all to their supposedly "pure" form of religious belief. Forced belief does not persuade people to love God with their hearts, any more than a forced marriage creates love for another human being. God and relationships must be freely chosen to be meaningful and herein lies the fundamental difference in world views. One sees their God as an angry enforcer who needs goon squads to whip people into line. The other sees God giving humanity free will with blessings and consequences for each choice, but with ultimate judgment reserved for Himself.

This is the great chasm that confronts the world.

Adding to this dangerous clash of civilizations is the need by despots to have an enemy in order to escape accountability for failing to improve their own societies. This is true not only of despots in other lands (today and in the past), but demagogues in our own.

People who ignite religious and political flames do so to augment their own sense of power and place. It is about controlling others and acquiring political power. It is also about raising money. One can never succeed in brokering peace or the power would subside, the influence wane and the money dry up. Imagine what would happen if racial harmony suddenly broke out in America. The self-appointed civil rights hustlers and race baiters would have to find honest work. The preachers who speak more of the kingdom of this world, rather than the one that is not, would have to return to the Gospel and focus less on the Republican (or Democratic) Party. They would have to close their offices and lay off staff. Their White House invitations would cease, as would offers to appear on television. Who wants to labor in obscurity and humility when the glare of the spotlight and the comfort of the limousine beckon?

President Bush has been consistent in his comments about Iraq and Iran. He did not deviate from previous remarks in his U.N. address. This consistency - along with rapidly falling gas prices - has had a positive effect on his approval rating, now at 44 percent, according to the latest USA Today/Gallup Poll.

The real test remains to be taken and passed. Will "moderate" Muslims step up and begin isolating the fanatics? Will Muslim seminaries and Islamic religious leaders issue "fatwas" that not only state the use of violence is contradictory to the way and will of God, but that murder is a one-way ticket to Hell instead of a trip to heavenly virgins?

It is one thing for President Bush to say the United States is not at war with Islam, but what if Islam sees itself at war with the United States, indeed the entire West? That's what one hears from various imams, Arab and Islamic media and sermons throughout the world. Jews are referred to as apes and pigs and Christians are called cross-worshippers and crusaders. Jews and Christians don't riot when slandered, but Muslims do at the smallest perceived slight. That is not an example of a developed religion or a developing society. That is medieval.

One nation can declare war on another, but can it un-declare war when its adversary has declared war on it? I am not optimistic that the words of President Bush will have much influence (or even be heard) in the part of the world that demonizes him and calls the United States the "Great Satan."
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 08:21 am
Bush and GOP Making Gains Among Voters
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:43 am
"That raises a critical question: Is the upturn in Bush's fortune a blip linked to the public attention on the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, or is it the start of a sustained recovery of political strength?"

I think it is neither.

IMO, the voting public, the 33% who really care, still are looking for alternatives to GW, but there presently are NONE.

Every time one of these knucklehead leaders from Iran or Venezuala, spew their nonsense, especially in front of the US Media, GW's support will expand.

When the Democrats curl up in fetal positions when this occurs, it again shows their percieved weakness in National Security, and GW's stock goes up.

Every time a University invites these criminal leaders to their campus, and Democrats say and do nothing to stop it, GW's stock goes up.

Only and until a better alternative is put in front of the American VOTER, the minority party will stay a minority.

I believe VOTERS REALLY REALLY want an alternative to the current Republican "regime" but can not find one.

I sure am looking for an alternative.
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:46 am
http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/TownHall/Car/b/varv092006a.jpg
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:51 am
woiyo wrote:
Every time one of these knucklehead leaders from Iran or Venezuala, spew their nonsense, especially in front of the US Media, GW's support will expand.


Did you see Bolton's response to Chavez?

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"We're not going to address that sort of comic strip approach to international affairs," ambassador John Bolton said. "The real issue here is he knows he can exercise freedom of speech on that podium. He could exercise it in Central Park too. How about giving the same freedom to the people of Venezuela?"
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:52 am
Right, because Bolton is the guy we want to go to as an authority on, well, anything...

Sheesh

Cycloptichorn
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:57 am
He was right, wasn't he?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 09:58 am
I wasn't aware that people couldn't speak in parks in Venezuela.

Cycloptichorn
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jpinMilwaukee
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 10:00 am
Don't play dumb, cyc. You're a smarter guy than that.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 10:06 am
Does anyone think Bolton will be confirmed?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 12:01 pm
http://cagle.slate.msn.com/working/060919/lane.gif

Too funny because it's true.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 21 Sep, 2006 12:03 pm
jpinMilwaukee wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Every time one of these knucklehead leaders from Iran or Venezuala, spew their nonsense, especially in front of the US Media, GW's support will expand.


Did you see Bolton's response to Chavez?

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"We're not going to address that sort of comic strip approach to international affairs," ambassador John Bolton said. "The real issue here is he knows he can exercise freedom of speech on that podium. He could exercise it in Central Park too. How about giving the same freedom to the people of Venezuela?"


Yes I did.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 07:43 am
VDH on how things aren't all that bad AND the Dems will lose again...

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Despite their dreams of recapturing one or both houses of Congress this November, the Democrats seem determined to reprise their poor showings in 2002 and 2004. Now, as then, they are dozing in the campaign's homestretch, like Aesop's hare, lulled by rosy predictions and the premature applause of Hollywood and the mainstream press. Soon, however, they may awake to discover that while they snoozed before the finish line, George W. Bush hunkered down in his tough shell, kept his slow legs moving, and inched them out.

The president has had a rough year since his re-election. But the furor is now subsiding, and once again, turtlelike, his poll numbers are creeping forward. The economy continues growing. Interest rates, unemployment and inflation remain manageable. Gas may fall to $2 a gallon. It matters little whether the president is as responsible for the price decline as he was for its rise -- the public feels better all the same.

In hindsight, Hurricane Katrina is increasingly seen as the singular natural disaster it was -- made worse by lapses in government at all levels. And too much federal largess, rather than too little, is the new worry.

The line between the supposedly good "multilateral" war in Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and the bad "unilateral" one that ousted Saddam is blurring. Suicide bombers and improvised explosive devices are the terrorism of choice in both theaters. In some weeks, more are killed in Afghanistan than in Iraq. And al Qaeda, unlike the U.S. media, sees both as integrated jihadist struggles against the infidel.

When the smoke cleared in Lebanon, Israel had not lost to Hezbollah -- but gained even more support from the American people, according to most recent polls. Nor did the elected Lebanese government collapse. Indeed, rumor has it that Syria, Iran and Hezbollah are much less pleased with the result of the war than Western journalists had supposed. And Iran appears to be backing down somewhat from its nuclear agenda.

America has not been hit again since September 11, 2001. And, perhaps preferring to err on the side of safety, most Americans continue to back interrogations and detentions at Guantanamo. For now, most still believe it is jihadists -- not their own president -- who pose the real threat to their way of life.

Europeans no longer smugly believe the Islamists are incited only by the cowboy George Bush. They are weary and increasingly angry over the Danish cartoon hysteria, Dutch murders, French riots, London and Madrid bombings, foiled plots in Britain and Germany, and the most recent threats to the pope. Terrorist communiques allege anger over Iraq -- but also Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Gaza, Kashmir, Kosovo, Lebanon, the Philippines, the West Bank, and on and on.

Despite their troubles, the Republicans remain more unified and pragmatic than their opponents.

The party establishment stood behind the often anti-Bush Sen. Lincoln Chafee in a tough but successful re-election fight in Rhode Island. In contrast, the Democratic establishment watched in horror as the party's activist wing drummed out their own moderate, Sen. Joe Lieberman, as a turncoat.

In the past, leftist shrillness -- whether it was Michael Moore calling Iraqi terrorists "Minutemen" or Cindy Sheehan pronouncing an American president "the world's greatest terrorist" -- hurt the Democrats, who came across as amused by the noise of these supportive public megaphones.

Once again such rhetorical craziness is turning off moderates. A film has just been released imagining the assassination of a sitting American president. On the Democratic side, only Sen. Hillary Clinton has denounced such creepiness; other Clintonites were far more worried only about looking bad in the recent docudrama "The Path to 9/11."

Democrats denounce the conduct of the war against terror. All well and good -- but they also must explain how they would snatch Osama bin Laden from his friendly tribes in Islamic and nuclear Pakistan. They rail against the Iraq war, but they cannot agree on when -- not to mention whether -- to depart. They lament appeasement of Iran but offer no military or political alternative to the ongoing multiparty negotiations.

The Democrats claim Mr. Bush is not protecting us at home and is battling the wrong enemies abroad. But even of those sympathetic to such a message, how many believe Nancy Pelosi and Ted Kennedy are better suited to fight a war against terror? And where the president is vulnerable -- illegal immigration, continual energy dependence, spiraling debt and profligate federal spending -- the Democrats' solutions are even more at odds with public opinion.

The result is that Mr. Bush, tucked into his shell, keeps lumbering forward, grimfaced -- resisting withdrawal from Iraq and warning against Islamic fascism. And the more the Democratic hares yawn and snore -- the more this unfazed turtle keeps moving toward the November elections.

http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20060922-085156-3830r.htm
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 09:27 am
Uh...Victor...yoo hoo, Victor

NIE report.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 10:50 am
McGentrix wrote:


How does this constitute something for "a BUSH SUPPORTER"? Are you trying to tell us that Bush supporters are simply a bunch of ignorant people?

What about the "Christians" who are not the least bit concerned about the 100,000 or so Iraqis killed in an illegal and IMMORAL invasion of their country by a man you support.

Well thankfully, not all Americans are so ignorant.

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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 24 Sep, 2006 12:54 pm
It's actually pretty amazing, and awfully telling, that these Bush supporters seem to want to have a thread, in the POLITICAL DEBATE section no less, where they can stroke each other and spread their lies hither and yon, expecting no feedback.

Isn't this exactly what this administration does, isolates itself from anyone who thinks differently than king george. Look where it's gotten the USA!

In an unbelievable f**king mess!

And McG wants to be left alone to stroke his poor fragile little ego. Grow up, McG. You're supposed to be an adult, ready and willing to be exposed to differing ideas. Ready and willing to honestly and accurately assess situations. You have never done it up to now but I can't for the life of me imagine how you can figure being left alone in your delusions is going to help you, or anyone else, one little bit.



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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 3 Oct, 2006 07:14 am
http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/060929/ramirez.jpg
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