Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

Your entire "argument" on ebrown's Red Line thread is ad hominem, blatham.

"Tico posts Ann Coulter articles on A2K, displaying a lack of civility and consideration for other people's feelings, and he has said things that cause me to think he is supportive of 'torture' against enemy combatants .... therefore, I do not think it is objectionable for anybody to be rude to strangers they meet on the street or on a train."

All I did was mention a Doonesbury drawing. Gracious!

Ticomaya wrote:

Your entire "argument" on ebrown's Red Line thread is ad hominem, blatham.

"Tico posts Ann Coulter articles on A2K, displaying a lack of civility and consideration for other people's feelings, and he has said things that cause me to think he is supportive of 'torture' against enemy combatants .... therefore, I do not think it is objectionable for anybody to be rude to strangers they meet on the street or on a train."

Jimminy jillikers...it takes a certain level of genius to be quite this dull and have so little awareness of it.

First, your argument form above (and it's not mine, but I'll get to that in a minute) which you've constructed to demonstrate a supposed ad hominem doesn't constitute an ad hominem. It is merely an invalid argument where the conclusion does not follow from the premises.

I've marked a portion of your description in red. That's the only part here you have right as a description of what I have written there.

Let's clarify. I have not said that your inclusion here of Ann Coulter columns displays "a lack of civility or concern for peoples' feelings". I thought it was clear with you that such concerns don't weigh heavily on me in this modern context of political discussions with people like you. Call someone here or some political figure a dickhead if you like and I won't be much troubled.

My indictiment of you here is quite different and quite specific, and is precisely as if you pasted a racist screed from The Oklahoma Nazi Youth Circle advocating the murder of evil jewish leaders and the forced conversion of jews to VibrantGlowingJesusness? You promote hatred, racism and a lot of other very ugly stuff when you promote Coulter. As such, I find what you do morally despicable and intellectually inexcuseable. I find it even moreso, for both you and foxfyre, because you count yourselves christians, as does, in a typical example of moral inversion, Coulter herself. All three of you are helping to make your country and the world uglier and more hateful.

What you have as my 'conclusion' is a misapprehension. It's no surprise you find yourself forced into it. I said ebrown had been rude. I stated that this had negative consequences. I did not say it wasn't objectionable. What I did contend is that on the scale of 'morally objectionable speech acts', ebrown's rudeness on that train stands so far below what you are guilty of through forwarding such hatred and through supporting a movement and adminstration which gained and tried to maintain power through forwarding hatreds, that ebrown deserves very little condemnation where you deserve much.

You promote hatred, racism and a lot of other very ugly stuff when you promote Coulter. As such, I find what you do morally despicable and intellectually inexcuseable. I find it even moreso, for both you and foxfyre, because you count yourselves christians, as does, in a typical example of moral inversion, Coulter herself.

Evenmoreso Tico when somebody can write something like that and then, with presumably a straight face say that it is Tico or Foxfyre or even Ann Coulter who are "helping to make (our) country and the world uglier and more hateful."

Foxfyre wrote:

Evenmoreso Tico when somebody can write something like that and then, with presumably a straight face say that it is Tico or Foxfyre or even Ann Coulter who are "helping to make (our) country and the world uglier and more hateful."

Interestingly, Blatham is exactly right.

Tico and yourself like to remove yourself from your hateful attitudes by outsourcing them to posters such as Coulter - never mind the tacit agreement with her poisonous worldview implied by posting, it allows you to get your point across without incurring personal heat for opinions which are actually both insulting and idiotic at the same time.

His point about Christianity, and the hypocrisy of many who label themselves so on A2K, is also dead on.

Cycloptichorn

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

How about taking your mealy mouthed BS some where else and jerk each other off so we don't have to scroll past your stink?

McGentrix wrote:

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

Please. This thread long ago outlived its stated purpose and is now nothing more than a virtual fight club.

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

How about taking your mealy mouthed BS some where else and jerk each other off so we don't have to scroll past your stink?

Foxfyre wrote:

Evenmoreso Tico when somebody can write something like that and then, with presumably a straight face say that it is Tico or Foxfyre or even Ann Coulter who are "helping to make (our) country and the world uglier and more hateful."

Interestingly, Blatham is exactly right.

Tico and yourself like to remove yourself from your hateful attitudes by outsourcing them to posters such as Coulter - never mind the tacit agreement with her poisonous worldview implied by posting, it allows you to get your point across without incurring personal heat for opinions which are actually both insulting and idiotic at the same time.

His point about Christianity, and the hypocrisy of many who label themselves so on A2K, is also dead on.

Cycloptichorn

McGentrix wrote:

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

How about taking your mealy mouthed BS some where else and jerk each other off so we don't have to scroll past your stink?

Some nice words said about President Ford today, not least by Pres Bush 43, and then I heard that Pres Ford had left a comment, to be publicised posthumously, that the Iraq War was a big mistake.

George, when you're down, you're really down. From beyond the grave, even.

"Rumsfeld and Cheney and the president made a big mistake in justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of mass destruction," Ford said. "And now, I've never publicly said I thought they made a mistake, but I felt very strongly it was an error in how they should justify what they were going to do."

McGentrix wrote:

What a load of bullshit. The only hate peddlers I have seen are the ones that come to a thread titled Bush Supporters Aftermath and spend as much energy as possible deriding those that come to post here.

Please. This thread long ago outlived its stated purpose and is now nothing more than a virtual fight club.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Evenmoreso Tico when somebody can write something like that and then, with presumably a straight face say that it is Tico or Foxfyre or even Ann Coulter who are "helping to make (our) country and the world uglier and more hateful."

Interestingly, Blatham is exactly right.

Tico and yourself like to remove yourself from your hateful attitudes by outsourcing them to posters such as Coulter - never mind the tacit agreement with her poisonous worldview implied by posting, it allows you to get your point across without incurring personal heat for opinions which are actually both insulting and idiotic at the same time.

His point about Christianity, and the hypocrisy of many who label themselves so on A2K, is also dead on.

Cycloptichorn

Pot - kettle. You and Blatham try to make yourself look more important and morally superior by seeking out and saying hateful things about other members and pretend that you're just being honest instead of crude and cruel. At least he has the guts to do it on his own while you sit back and pile on as little dogs always do. And neither of you gain respect from anybody but similar types when you do. Tico doesn't do that. Nor do I. And, if Ann Coulter is the epitome of viciousness and coarseness, then Noam Chomsky is the devil himself and Blatham thinks he is just wonderful. Again pot - kettle.

You promise never to darken the threads dedicated to any democratic players?