Bush Supporters' Aftermath Thread III

American's use the words "college" and "professor" differently from the way they are used in the UK.

Still on the subject of Burns, I have a friend in Kirkcudbright and have shared a few convivial evenings with him there in the Selkirk Arms.
There, Burns wrote the Selkirk Grace, which if memory serves, runs

Some hae meat, but canna eat
And some can eat that want it
But we hae meat, and we can eat
Sae let the Lord be thankit"

hae -have
meat -food
want -lack

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

I didn't want to insult at all. But since you said yourself:

Foxfyre wrote:
My college English professor, however, took a different point of view with it and I could see that side too.

... I just took it as a fact that you studied English at university.

I did. It was my second major in fact as much of the curriculum was the same as the requirements for Journalism. I also had minors in History, Music, and Business. And I don't claim expertise in any one of these fields.

I think you generally do intend to be insulting (sarcastic) when you make comments like that though so I, probably incorrectly, jumped to a conclusion. If that was not your intent, I apologize.

But interesting that University/Professor is different in the UK than here, Mctag? Here a teacher heads a class in grades K (kindergarten) through 12 (highschool). Formal studies beyond highschool are done at a college or university (terms which sometimes are used interchangeably here) and a Professor teaches such formal classes beyond highschool. (Some limited college/university classes can also be taught by Instructors or others lessor that a full professor too--I have on occasion been privileged to be a guest lecturer on a particular subject of which I do have a bit of expertise--but I am by no means a professor.)

So how is it different in the UK?

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Foxfyre wrote:

But interesting that University/Professor is different in the UK than here, Mctag? Here a teacher heads a class in grades K (kindergarten) through 12 (highschool). Formal studies beyond highschool are done at a college or university (terms which sometimes are used interchangeably here) and a Professor teaches such formal classes beyond highschool. (Some limited college/university classes can also be taught by Instructors or others lessor that a full professor too--I have on occasion been privileged to be a guest lecturer on a particular subject of which I do have a bit of expertise--but I am by no means a professor.)

So how is it different in the UK?

Here, children are taught up to the age of 18 or 19 at a school (secondary education)
Rarely are the schools referred to as "colleges", although the use of this term is creeping in for some establishments which cater for the 16-18 age range.

At universities (tertiary education) students are taught by lecturers, and the term "professor" is used only for the head of a Department. e.g. Professor of Mathematics, Professor of Chemistry, i.e. the top man or woman only. I believe in the US, a professor can be an odinary university teacher- not so here.

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McTag wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

But interesting that University/Professor is different in the UK than here, Mctag? Here a teacher heads a class in grades K (kindergarten) through 12 (highschool). Formal studies beyond highschool are done at a college or university (terms which sometimes are used interchangeably here) and a Professor teaches such formal classes beyond highschool. (Some limited college/university classes can also be taught by Instructors or others lessor that a full professor too--I have on occasion been privileged to be a guest lecturer on a particular subject of which I do have a bit of expertise--but I am by no means a professor.)

So how is it different in the UK?

Here, children are taught up to the age of 18 or 19 at a school (secondary education)
Rarely are the schools referred to as "colleges", although the use of this term is creeping in for some establishments which cater for the 16-18 age range.

At universities (tertiary education) students are taught by lecturers, and the term "professor" is used only for the head of a Department. e.g. Professor of Mathematics, Professor of Chemistry, i.e. the top man or woman only. I believe in the US, a professor can be an odinary university teacher- not so here.

Yes, a Professor is generally one holding a PhD in his particular discipline as well as being awarded the title on merit. And while there can be many Professors within a department, only one of them gets to be Department Head.

But thanks for the explanation. I think it is a good thing to learn at least one new thing each day. Smile

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Here, it's nearly the some as in the UK.

UUniversity professors have to have a PhD (and additional a second kind of PhD, a 'habilitation'), while at 'Univesities of Applied Sciences' only one PhD for a professor is necessary.

Opposite to the USA, you learn here at schools and study at universities - eo ipso, you study only subjects related to actual filed of study (e.g. history only when you become a historian or teacher etc - what is taught the first two years at colleges in the USA is learnt here at grammar schools).

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(I've been a lecturer = had to have at least one academic degree. And since I was examing MA/BA thesises [in pp the chair] but had no PhD, some of my works got approved the Ministry for Science as "PhD-equivalent".)

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remember "professor" harold hill in 'the music man' !
he didn't need much formal 'eddercation' to bamboozle the locals .
hbg

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The basic difference between levels of professor according to the national academic system is that in North America, the designation is based on career, whereas in Europe it is based on position. That means that if a North American Assistant Professor is performing particularly well, he or she can be promoted to Associate Professor, and if this is the case again, on to (full) Professor . In the European system, the different fields and sub-fields of teaching and research are allotted certain (professorial) chairs, and one can only become a professor if one is appointed to such a chair (which then has to be free, i.e., unoccupied). Therefore, the different professorial ranks are not necessarily comparable.

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I was an Adjunct professor: someone who does not have a permanent position at the academic institution; this may be someone with a job outside the academic institution teaching courses in a specialized field; or it may refer to persons hired to teach courses on contractual basis (frequently renewable contracts); it is generally a part-time position with a teaching load below the minimum required to earn benefits (health care, life insurance, etc.), although the number of courses taught can vary from a single course to a full-time load (or even an overload).

An adjunct is generally not required to participate in the administrative responsibilities at the institution often expected of other full-time professors, nor do they generally have research responsibilities. The pay for these positions is usually nominal, even though adjuncts typically hold a Ph.D., but most adjuncts also hold concurrent positions at several institutions or in industry.

Adjuncts provide flexibility to the faculty, acting as additional teaching resources to be called up as necessary; however, their teaching load is variable: classes can be transferred from adjuncts to full-time professors, classes with low enrollment can be summarily canceled and the teaching schedule from one semester to the next can be unpredictable (furthermore, if the university makes a good faith offer to an adjunct professor of teaching during the following semester (dependent on enrollment), the adjunct generally cannot file for unemployment during the break). In some cases, an adjunct may hold one of the standard ranks in another department, and be recognized with adjunct rank for making significant contributions to the department in question.

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It is very similar to the position I had, though I was included fully in the faculty, when I became thesis supervisor. (It would have been difficult, because the second person was not necessarily a prof but could have been a "normal" lecturer.)

I got payed by weekly hours/semester (6 in my case) and for each thesis (though I didn't accept more then two/semester since I had a fulltime job outside the educational system).

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Foxy, isn't that a Doonesbury drawing as avatar? For shame, I would have thought you would eschew such liberal frivolity. :wink:

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McTag wrote:

Foxy, isn't that a Doonesbury drawing as avatar? For shame, I would have thought you would eschew such liberal frivolity. :wink:

Doonesbury isn't all that liberal and I have long been a fan. But yeah, the figure is Granma.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Doonesbury isn't all that liberal ...

As you said above: "I think it is a good thing to learn at least one new thing each day."

Quote:

Doonesbury is a comic strip by Garry Trudeau, popular in the United States and other parts of the world. Frequently political in nature, Doonesbury's characters profess a range of affiliations, but the cartoon's editorial slant is primarily noted for a liberal outlook.

Source

Quote:

Trudeau satirized politicians from across the political spectrum, but he approached highly charged issues such as the Vietnam War, gay rights, and cigarette smoking from a consistently liberal perspective.

source: "Trudeau, Garry." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2007. Encyclopædia Britannica Online. 1 Jan. 2007 <http>.

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Walter, aren't you feeling extra-specially grumpy today? :wink:

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McTag wrote:

Walter, aren't you feeling extra-specially grumpy today? :wink:

No. But I hate it if something is said like "ex cathedra". Especially, when exactly the opposite is commonly known and accepted.

Such sounds in my ears as if I was taken for a ride.

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Tico does that. Annoying, isn't it?

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McTag wrote:

Walter, aren't you feeling extra-specially grumpy today? :wink:

Naw, he's just being Walter. He is going to post anything he can find to try to make me look foolish. In the process he sometimes makes it look like he does no thinking on his own at all but depends on cut and paste or what somebody else thinks for his contributions to the conversation.

I am well aware of Trudeau's reputation. I also have long been a Doonesbury fan and have more than once used it as a teaching illustration of differing points of views within American society. I don't mind at all if a person tilts left in their sociopolitical personal views so long as they are honest about it. Trudeau usually is though he has pulled a major gaffe now and then. (Calling Condoleeza Rice "Brown Sugar" was one. Smile

)

I follow a few liberal columnists who I completely respect too though I agree with not that many of their views.

But just remember that I am one of the conservatives that Walter does not hold in high esteem and it all comes into clearer perspective. Smile

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Just wondering (not sure, but that doesn't sound like Trudeau) - wasn't "Brown Sugar" a nickname GWB had for Condi Rice at one time?

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

McTag wrote:
Walter, aren't you feeling extra-specially grumpy today? :wink:

No. But I hate it if something is said like "ex cathedra". Especially, when exactly the opposite is commonly known and accepted.

Such sounds in my ears as if I was taken for a ride.

I'm with McTag here. Walter is more grumpy than usual. :wink:

Oddly Walter does occasionally enjoy speaking "ex cathedra" himself. It drives me nuts. But undoubtedly my own faults are much worse.

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

McTag wrote:
Walter, aren't you feeling extra-specially grumpy today? :wink:

No. But I hate it if something is said like "ex cathedra". Especially, when exactly the opposite is commonly known and accepted.

Such sounds in my ears as if I was taken for a ride.

English lesson for today, Walter:

The phrase "not all that" does not indicate that which follows is not true.

On the contrary, when Foxy said, it was "not all that Liberal," she was stating it WAS liberal, just not to a degree she finds to be troubling.

Does that trouble you?

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