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WHO WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER?

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 04:34 pm
Very frequently the little dog will be a

Jerk
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/jerk.jpg

Once he has targeted his intended victim, Jerk compensates for his poor self image by being sarcastic, mean, unforgiving, immature type and rarely misses an opportunity to make a cutting remark. Jerk's obnoxious personality quickly alienates more mature posters, and after some initial skirmishing he is usually ostracized and/or mostly ignored. Still, Jerk is very happy to participate in electronic forums because in cyberspace he is free to be himself...without the risk of getting a real-time kick in the posterior.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 04:53 pm
Occasionally you will run into someone who is a combination of

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/ferrouscranus.jpg

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Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.


AND



http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/crybaby.jpg

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Although sometimes a male, Crybaby is usually a female, and often a close ally of Innocence Abused. When teased or attacked Crybaby will pitch a loud public temper tantrum, holding her breath and kicking her feet. If that defense fails she will run to Nanny for comfort.


AND

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/toxicgranny.jpg.

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Warriors often underestimate Toxic Granny's fighting abilities. She can be very aggressive, and because of the deference paid to the elderly, not only does Toxic Granny easily attract allies to aid in her defense, but her foes are reluctant to employ their strongest weapons against her. Prudent Warriors avoid confrontations with Toxic Granny because there is ignominy in defeat and no glory
in victory.


At which point, you simply can't do anything but ridicule, it's off the frickin' scale.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 05:47 pm
Well I'm certainly not a toxic granny since the trolls certainly don't pay me any deference due to my age.

So it's must be a self portrait by the member posting it? How accurate do you think that is?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 05:48 pm
Who said anyone was referring to you?

Woof woof!

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:10 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Who said anyone was referring to you?

Woof woof!

Cycloptichorn


Not me. I thought you were describing somebody you know very very well.

Now to explain my posting of the troll cartoons:

I try very hard to keep things cordial and do not believe there is a post anywhere on A2K in which I have insulted another member without extreme provocation and no case anywhere in which I initiated a personal insult or attack on another member. The closest I have come is to criticize a member who was doing that to another member. I further believe that being reasonably civil and courteous is the best way to conduct a discussion that might actually yield something useful and creates the most pleasant experience for reasonable people who actually have something to contribute.

I find those who presume to judge me or others or who are incapable of civility and courtesy to be boorish, immature, and unpleasant. I prefer to simply ignore them rather than disrupt threads, but when they play the big dog, little dog routine, it gets so very obnoxious and tiresome. And when I am completely maliciously misrepresented, it is difficult not to respond. I am quite aware that others are better educated, more informed, and more articulate than I am. I just want a place at the party. I think that's what most of us want.

The bottom line, however, is that one simply cannot make himself look bigger or more important or even big and important by trying to make somebody else look smaller.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:27 pm
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The bottom line, however, is that one simply cannot make himself look bigger or more important or even big and important by trying to make somebody else look smaller.


In case you were addressing this to me,

I'm not concerned with what anyone thinks about how I look, at all. Or how you look, for that matter. I, much like others who deride your posting style, tire of your argumentation, which is one weak on both logic and reason but strong on persistance and smug superiority. This shouldn't really come as a surprise to you, hell, you can read your own posts, you know what I mean.

When I feel something, I say it. If you have a problem with the things that I say, feel free to scroll directly past my posts. It isn't as if there's anything that I can do about it, and the burden of having to deal with someone pointing out your myraid factual and logical errors will be removed from you. It isn't as if you've ever cared, anyways.

I doubt you can do that, though; because you have far more Ego wrapped up in this discussion board than you would like to admit to yourself. But, hey, what do I know, right? So we'll put it to an experiment - it'll go like this:

Step 1: I'll keep posting what I feel like posting, and
Step 2: You respond or not as you see fit.

I promise not to go out of my way to attack you personally; I will only do so when you make a fool out of yourself in a post, and I feel it needs to be pointed out. Note that your posting style and frequency may affect your results; as they say, your mileage may vary.

A good start would be for you to ignore the temptation to respond to this post. But, it's up to you, of course.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:33 pm
To nobody in particular, if you don't like my posting style, then by all means feel free to scroll right on past my posts. It won't bother me at all and I'll still respect you in the morning.


To Cyclops I'll not respond to his post as he requests. I'll simply post:
Cyclops Post 1311579
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My above statement is presented as opinion. You are free to disagree with it; if I wanted to state it as a categorical fact, I would have provided supporting evidence, which I didn't care to do.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 06:59 pm
Laughing just can't ignore temptation, can you?

I have no intention, as you erroneously presume, of ignoring your posts whatsoever. Instead, I will continue to post and see if we can't raise your average post competency rating just a little bit higher by getting you to quote me a few more times. Think of it as a favor, because, darlin, you need all the help you can get.

My bet is, you'll respond to this post as well, instead of doing something more productive with your time. I think you should examine just how much of your ego is wrapped up in 'winning' arguments on A2K. You and Brandon, heh

Cycloptichorn
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MarionT
 
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Reply Thu 28 Sep, 2006 11:46 pm
Back to who will win in November. At this time, the Republicrats are spewing pure racist venom. They are attacking two of the best and most experienced members of the House and Senate-Representatives Rangel and Conyers. The attacks, of course, slyly denote that these two men who have distinguished themselves for years in the House of Representatives are African-American and by virtue of seniority would be the heads of the Judiciary Committee and the Ways and Means Committee.The racists in the Republicrat party are aghast. This kind of racist smear must be exposed and stopped!
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 05:49 am
Unless some more democrats start distinguishing themselves in action as well as words, I don't think it is going to matter a heck of a whole lot who wins in November.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 06:51 am
MarionT wrote:
Back to who will win in November. At this time, the Republicrats are spewing pure racist venom. They are attacking two of the best and most experienced members of the House and Senate-Representatives Rangel and Conyers. The attacks, of course, slyly denote that these two men who have distinguished themselves for years in the House of Representatives are African-American and by virtue of seniority would be the heads of the Judiciary Committee and the Ways and Means Committee.The racists in the Republicrat party are aghast. This kind of racist smear must be exposed and stopped!

Well there you go again Posssum X, right on target once more. I'm sorely amazed at your analytical abilities when it comes to politices and americana.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 Sep, 2006 07:02 am
Revel's post is the most cogent observation to make--one set of self-serving, flannel-mouthed politicians is little different than any other.

I have consistently posted in this forum that i have no good reason to believe that the Democrats will take over the House in this election. There is some hope for those who wish to see the Democrats succeed that they may get a (bare) majority in the Senate. Some observations on these ideas:

"Control" of the House in theory means only a simple majority. In practice, however, this can vary depending upon the extent to which any issue is seen to be partisan with regard to the professional politicians, or "divisive" with regard to the electorate at large. Those issues with a strong partisan--i.e., ideological--character will likely, but not with complete assurance, divide the House along party lines, and will probably result in the triumph of the majority party. There are some weak variables in this, in that not all politicians always succumb to the ideological pressue of their party, such as Republicans who secure seat is based upon a population which does not oppose abortion, or a Democrat whose secure seat is based upon a population with a strong identification with the military. The former is unlikely to favor legislation to restrict abortion despite an ideological appeal, and the latter is likely to support increased defense spending despite ideological appeal.

In the case of (alleged) "divisive" issues, the equation is more complex. Whether or not the electorate is actually divided on any particular issue (or even cares or notices) is often a matter of propaganda (euphemistically described these days as "spin"). Many issues described as "divisive" actually drawn a yawn of a "Huh?" from the electorate, and wrangles in ths House on such issues are examples of individual members playing to an audience only of other politicians, and usually attempting to score points with the party leadership. If an issue actually does exercise the electorate, and divide them deeply along ideological lines, the only certainty is that successful politicians will always vote what they know or believe their constituents want, and to Hell with party leadership.

So, in the House, "control" means simple majority--usually, but the situation is never simple.

In the Senate, partisan supporters often like to claim that a simple majority confers control, but this is even less true than in the House. First, on a purely procedural basis, the rules of the Senate (and the Constitution confers on each house the right to make their own rules of procedure) require a 60% vote of the quorum to close debate--so a simple majority can be prevented from bringing legislation to the floor is the minority opposes the measure and has sufficient votes. What is often referred to as the "nuclear option" in the Senate is so called because it entails ending debate on a simple majority vote (with the Vice President vote to break any tie) of the quorum, which is likely to end all cooperation between the parties for at the least, the rest of the session of that Congress, which can, of course be as much as almost two years. The idea is that if the majority party invokes "the nuclear option," the minority will close ranks to block every measure the majority party forwards, which is why it is "nuclear," and which is why either party will attempt to avoid. Furthermore, the "nuclear option" can only be exercised on a point of order, because of the 60% vote, and the party embarrassed by the use of the nuclear option is then likely to raise points of order on every occasion thereafter, paralyzing the business of the Senate.

The procedural rule that 60% of the quorum must otherwise be invoked to close debate. To change that rule, one must invoke Senate Rule 22, which requires a two thirds majority of the quorum to change any written rules of the Senate (procedural precedent can effectively create unwritten rules, another reason to avoid the "nuclear option")--which requires absolute control of the Senate. Neither party is likely to want to change the 60% rule, because even if a party is now out of power, they will hope to exercise it as such time as they are in power.

Which leads to the issue of absolute control. Absolute control can actually be seen as one of two situations. "Near" absolute control would be having 60 seats (and perhaps a few more to assure 60% of any quorum), enabling the party in power to close debate at will without invoking the nuclear option. However, "true" absolute control would involve the party in power holding 67 seats (and perhpas a few more to assure two thirds of any quorum), allowing the party in power to change Senate rules at will, and to assure the power to ratifying treaties or confirming appointments despite any objection of the minority party.

Therefore, control of the House means a simple majority, although a significant "buffer" of votes is necessary to overcome the potential defection of party members who are voting their constituency (after all, they're up for election every two years) rather than a party line. Control of the Senate is not conferred by a simple majority, and needs at least 60 seats for procedural control, and 67 seats for absolute control--and as is the case with the House, but in less exteme manner, a few seats more to assure the same control when there is a quorum, but not full attendance.

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All of that is actually good news for the Republicans--sort of. It means that even if the Democrats were to get a bare majority in both houses (not at all likely in the House; possible, but not terribly likely in the Senate)--they wouldn't necessarily be able to exercise true control of the Congress. They could, could however, improve their position to the extent that the Republicans cannot afford to ignore their demands, and that the Republicans would be obliged to behave in a conciliatory manner in almost cases. With a weak executive--which is what you have now, with the Presidency unpopular and seen as possibly being an electoral liability rather than an advantage--the party in power must always treat the minority power with care, unless they have the huge, more than two thirds majorities need in both houses to override vetoes, and can rely upon the vote of those majorities--a situation like that has not existed since the early days of Franklin Roosevelt, and his was a strong Presidency in the terms used above.

The reason i don't believe that the Democrats can effectively seize either house (even getting a bare majority which doesn't guarantee control) is the power of incumbency. While searching for another string containing the word "stagnation," i came across this Wikipedia article on Congressional stagnation. It explains the history of the expression of the concept, as well as the concept itself. It is worth noting that Congressional stagnation--the power of incumbency--is not absolute, the Republicans broke the trend in 1994. However, that was an exception which, viewed against the record of Congressional elections since the Second World War, proves the rule. Incumbents attract more money and influential support because of a proven record. Incumbents have a huge advantage in "free" political advertising from their opportunities to get their names in the news, as the legislation of the political silly season before a mid-term election proves. Incumbents have franking privileges which allow them to do free mass mailings, under the cover of "reporting" to their constituency. Incumbents can not only get in the news, but can get free travel, if they can cobble together a political excuse, such as a "fact finding mission." Far and away, though, the biggest advantage of incumbency is the ready access to pork.

Things to think about, folks.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 04:55 am
I suppose, Foxfyre will be best informed today/tomorrow:

http://i10.tinypic.com/2evxd0n.jpg

All the three are in Albuquerque today. :wink:

(Though the Rove visit "has been kept under tight wraps by the New Mexican Republicans" and the local represenative isn't attenting the meeting: she [Wilson] "has been working hard to to portray her as independent from the Bush administration".

Quotes and pic from the report in today's 'Albuquerque Journal, pages 1 & 2
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MarionT
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 01:23 pm
How can the Democrats do anything? They do not control any committees? When Conyers and Rangel become committee chairmen there will be justice for Black People and a inquiry into the possiblity of impeaching George W. Bush. The Democrats must win in November or we will have another two years of Bushie which is bad for the USA.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 06:21 pm
MarionT wrote:
How can the Democrats do anything? They do not control any committees? When Conyers and Rangel become committee chairmen there will be justice for Black People and a inquiry into the possiblity of impeaching George W. Bush. The Democrats must win in November or we will have another two years of Bushie which is bad for the USA.

totally awesome Possum you are the man!!!!
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MarionT
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 10:18 pm
How can the Democrats do anything? They do not control any committees? When Conyers and Rangel become committee chairmen there will be justice for Black People and a inquiry into the possiblity of impeaching George W. Bush. The Democrats must win in November or we will have another two years of Bushie which is bad for the USA.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 11:01 pm
Why do you keep reposting your empty headed hogwash, massagatto/bernard/possum? If you just post it once, you could get away with just appearing to be a desperate troll. But these multi-posts make you look like a stupid and crazy desperate troll.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 11:08 pm
How can the Democrats do anything? They do not control any committees? When Conyers and Rangel become committee chairmen there will be justice for Black People and a inquiry into the possiblity of impeaching George W. Bush. The Democrats must win in November or we will have another two years of Bushie which is bad for the USA.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2006 02:18 am
http://i10.tinypic.com/30jpeon.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 1 Oct, 2006 06:23 am
Polls may be worth little, and local polls even less re the complete state or evven the USA.

But it's quite interersting to see the results from Albuquerque, as published today in the Albuquerque Journal:

http://i10.tinypic.com/331ogg8.jpg

(Wilson is the Republican incumbant, Madrid the Democratic challenger. Wilson has defended the war and backed Bush, Madrid has critised Wilson's position.)
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