Nuke Iran

That's a cheap shot. Why don't you prove that the USA is not the main problem with regard to Iraq, Iran and Israel?

I see that the Zionists had the desired effect on you when they orchestrated the events in Sept.

You're scared sh*tless!

Good. How does it feel?

You Yanks terrorize the rest of the world regularly.
You got a taste of your own medicine.

ALL Moslems don't believe what a very few say.

You are an ignorant fool if you think that.

Not all Moslems wear turbans.

They tend to blow off when they drive
their convertible Mercedes or BMW's.

Your/American racial profiling is not any different from Hitler's racial profiling. Anyone with dark skin is suspect.

I suppose you think Iraq was involved in the events of Sept 11?

Can you tell me why Americans are more special
than any other race/culture in the world?

You get one building bombed and you all freak out.

The Middle East has been getting blasted from the US since the 1950's.

Naturally they don't like Americans and they don't like your style of democracy.
Who would?

Yet BushCo can whine and ask 'why don't they like us'. DUH.

Your idiotic solution is to blow people up.
Yeah, that'll stop the problem, duh, won't it?

If it worked then the world wouldn't have been having wars since the creation of mankind. There is always money to be made from a war and/ or territory or resources to gain. Duh, which one do you think BushCo is after now? If your answer was 'all three' - you win the booby prize!

Pachelbel keeps quoting facts and the right wing cannot rebut those facts. Keep it up, Pachelbel!!
Tell the truth that Bush and his crew are the main reason for all of the world's problems.

MarionT wrote:

Pachelbel keeps quoting facts and the right wing cannot rebut those facts. Keep it up, Pachelbel!!
Tell the truth that Bush and his crew are the main reason for all of the world's problems.

Yeah; before W,
the world had no problems, Marion.

By your post, u define yourself.

David

September 24, 2006
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat
By MARK MAZZETTI
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 ?- A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,'' it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, "Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement," cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse," said one American intelligence official.

More than a dozen United States government officials and outside experts were interviewed for this article, and all spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were discussing a classified intelligence document. The officials included employees of several government agencies, and both supporters and critics of the Bush administration. All of those interviewed had either seen the final version of the document or participated in the creation of earlier drafts. These officials discussed some of the document's general conclusions but not details, which remain highly classified.

Officials with knowledge of the intelligence estimate said it avoided specific judgments about the likelihood that terrorists would once again strike on United States soil. The relationship between the Iraq war and terrorism, and the question of whether the United States is safer, have been subjects of persistent debate since the war began in 2003.

National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative documents that the intelligence community produces on a specific national security issue, and are approved by John D. Negroponte, director of national intelligence. Their conclusions are based on analysis of raw intelligence collected by all of the spy agencies.

Analysts began working on the estimate in 2004, but it was not finalized until this year. Part of the reason was that some government officials were unhappy with the structure and focus of earlier versions of the document, according to officials involved in the discussion.

Previous drafts described actions by the United States government that were determined to have stoked the jihad movement, like the indefinite detention of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, and some policy makers argued that the intelligence estimate should be more focused on specific steps to mitigate the terror threat. It is unclear whether the final draft of the intelligence estimate criticizes individual policies of the United States, but intelligence officials involved in preparing the document said its conclusions were not softened or massaged for political purposes.

Frederick Jones, a White House spokesman, said the White House "played no role in drafting or reviewing the judgments expressed in the National Intelligence Estimate on terrorism." The estimate's judgments confirm some predictions of a National Intelligence Council report completed in January 2003, two months before the Iraq invasion. That report stated that the approaching war had the potential to increase support for political Islam worldwide and could increase support for some terrorist objectives.

Documents released by the White House timed to coincide with the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks emphasized the successes that the United States had made in dismantling the top tier of Al Qaeda.

"Since the Sept. 11 attacks, America and its allies are safer, but we are not yet safe," concludes one, a report titled "9/11 Five Years Later: Success and Challenges." "We have done much to degrade Al Qaeda and its affiliates and to undercut the perceived legitimacy of terrorism."

That document makes only passing mention of the impact the Iraq war has had on the global jihad movement. "The ongoing fight for freedom in Iraq has been twisted by terrorist propaganda as a rallying cry," it states.

The report mentions the possibility that Islamic militants who fought in Iraq could return to their home countries, "exacerbating domestic conflicts or fomenting radical ideologies."

On Wednesday, the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee released a more ominous report about the terrorist threat. That assessment, based entirely on unclassified documents, details a growing jihad movement and says, "Al Qaeda leaders wait patiently for the right opportunity to attack."

The new National Intelligence Estimate was overseen by David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, who commissioned it in 2004 after he took up his post at the National Intelligence Council. Mr. Low declined to be interviewed for this article.

The estimate concludes that the radical Islamic movement has expanded from a core of Qaeda operatives and affiliated groups to include a new class of "self-generating" cells inspired by Al Qaeda's leadership but without any direct connection to Osama bin Laden or his top lieutenants.

It also examines how the Internet has helped spread jihadist ideology, and how cyberspace has become a haven for terrorist operatives who no longer have geographical refuges in countries like Afghanistan.

In early 2005, the National Intelligence Council released a study concluding that Iraq had become the primary training ground for the next generation of terrorists, and that veterans of the Iraq war might ultimately overtake Al Qaeda's current leadership in the constellation of the global jihad leadership.

But the new intelligence estimate is the first report since the war began to present a comprehensive picture about the trends in global terrorism.

In recent months, some senior American intelligence officials have offered glimpses into the estimate's conclusions in public speeches.

"New jihadist networks and cells, sometimes united by little more than their anti-Western agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge," said Gen. Michael V. Hayden, during a speech in San Antonio in April, the month that the new estimate was completed. "If this trend continues, threats to the U.S. at home and abroad will become more diverse and that could lead to increasing attacks worldwide," said the general, who was then Mr. Negroponte's top deputy and is now director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

For more than two years, there has been tension between the Bush administration and American spy agencies over the violence in Iraq and the prospects for a stable democracy in the country. Some intelligence officials have said the White House has consistently presented a more optimistic picture of the situation in Iraq than justified by intelligence reports from the field.

Spy agencies usually produce several national intelligence estimates each year on a variety of subjects. The most controversial of these in recent years was an October 2002 document assessing Iraq's illicit weapons programs. Several government investigations have discredited that report, and the intelligence community is overhauling how it analyzes data, largely as a result of those investigations.

The broad judgments of the new intelligence estimate are consistent with assessments of global terrorist threats by American allies and independent terrorism experts.

The panel investigating the London terrorist bombings of July 2005 reported in May that the leaders of Britain's domestic and international intelligence services, MI5 and MI6, "emphasized to the committee the growing scale of the Islamist terrorist threat."

More recently, the Council on Global Terrorism, an independent research group of respected terrorism experts, assigned a grade of "D+" to United States efforts over the past five years to combat Islamic extremism. The council concluded that "there is every sign that radicalization in the Muslim world is spreading rather than shrinking."

They should rename this thread, "Battle of the Extremist Wack-a-doodles."

They should rename this thread, "Battle of the Extremist Wack-a-doodles."

How does anybody believe the "anti-war" Democrats when they claim to have voted for authorization for war in Iraq but didn't really think the Bush administration would abuse it, like they did? Of course, they knew.

The guys behind the Bush curtain had already
made their intentions known before they took over the White House.

Ahmadinejad offers to discuss 'everything'

Compiled by Daily Star staff
Monday, September 25, 2006

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in remarks published Sunday that his government was ready to put "everything" on the negotiating table, if those in the US government who talk about regime change in Iran abandon their plans. RIGHT ON! America just wants to install another puppet to do their bidding.

"If they change their behavior, it is possible to talk about everything," the Iranian leader told The Washington Post. "It's the attitude and the approach of some American politicians that ruin things."

He's right. American politicians are interested in their own little plan to rule the world-Project for a New American Century.

The comments came as world powers are considering imposing sanctions that would target Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile sectors if Tehran persists in refusing to suspend uranium enrichment. A diplomatic source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the sanctions were discussed by senior diplomats from Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia and the United States on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York.

Asked if Iran was willing to take any steps to suspend uranium enrichment, Ahmadinejad said: "We think the American politicians should change their attitudes. If they think that by threatening Iran they'll have results, they are wrong."

Good for him. Who does America think they are, anyway? Bullies.

Meanwhile, the head of Iran's atomic energy agency, Gholamreza Aghazadeh, will visit Moscow on Monday for talks with his Russian counterpart on Iran's first nuclear reactor, officials said.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb

The Russian-built Bushehr plant, worth almost $1 billion, is set to start generating energy in November 2007, said Sergei Novikov, spokesman for Russia's atomic energy agency, Rosatom. Russia could start delivering nuclear fuel to Iran by next March - six months ahead of the scheduled completion of the project, which Russia began building in 1998.

Novikov stressed that Aghazadeh, who is also an Iranian vice president, and Rosatom head Sergei Kiriyenko will talk exclusively about Bushehr and not about the international dispute over Iran's nuclear program.

"The plant is built under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency and, from the point of view of international law, Russia has nothing to fear," said Daniil Kobyakov of the PIR Center for Policy Studies in Moscow.

"It's unilateral action by the US or Israel that [is] the most serious threat." AS USUAL.

In an interview published in Saturday's edition of Greek newspaper Kathimerini, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov said the UN should only consider sanctions if presented with "concrete and incontrovertible evidence that Iran is attempting to build nuclear weapons and clear evidence that it is supporting international terrorism." - Agencies

I thought this thread was locked? It should be.

Pachelbel's postings and rants aren't so much opinions as they are attacks.

Coming from someone so concerned about attacking anything or anyone, I find it very disengenous.