Conservative Bias in the Media

Well, Thomas, i fortunately live in a world in which your dictat does not obtain, so nothing obliges me to give your suggstion the time of day:

thomas wrote:

I don't suggest that you do a statistical analysis first, but I do suggest that you don't say "the Chinese" when you mean the small majority of Chinese that happens to run the government.

I rather think that you've misstated yourself here, but since nitpicking seems to be the order of your day here, then i'd point out the logical contradiction of ". . . it's much more meaningful to ask what a majority of people in a society think . . ." and " . . . the small majority of Chinese that happens to run the government." I note that you're still trying to peddle that migration crap, and have sidestepped the question of whether this regards where the migrant prefers to live, as opposed to where their perception of economic necessity carries them. Do you contend that you have certain knowledge that all Chinese emmigrants are leaving China forever, without the least desire ever to return, and that this arises exclusively from their negative view of their homeland? I wouldn't accept such a bald contention, certainly. As for what question would interest you between the thoughts of the Chinese government and the Chinese people, i don't give a rat's ass what interests you. About as far as i'd go in ammending my original statement is to include the word government after the word Chinese. But f you wish to continue to keep your spade working to pile this molehill into the mountain you'd like to contend already exists, you help yourself.

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hold on tight to Catcher in the Rye, and all of George Orwell, hide them well..............thinking, who makes a living thinking? I do. Oops, I better hide myself well............maybe I should run toward the border, do you think Canada will have me?

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You guys are having entirely tooooooooo much fun arguing.......this is NOT allowed in this country. No fun! Absolutely the devil's workshop.

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yes, Blatham, yoo hoo, Blatham: do you think Canada will have Lola and me, hmmm, do ya?

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Except for seafood and cheese, food is very inexpensive in Canadia--the highest recommendation i could possibly give to a nation . . .

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and I'll need lots of food...............

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and I'll want lots of food..........

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and I'll need a huge closet.......I must keep up my physical appearance, you know.....

but I better get out of here before the witch burners show.......

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Setanta wrote:

Well, Thomas, i fortunately live in a world in which your dictat does not obtain, so nothing obliges me to give your suggstion the time of day:

Unfortunately though, you do appear to live in a world in which a "suggestion" translates to "dictate".

Setanta wrote:

Do you contend that you have certain knowledge that all Chinese emmigrants are leaving China forever, without the least desire ever to return, and that this arises exclusively from their negative view of their homeland?

No. But I do contend that every single year since the Communists have taken over China, the number of people moving out of China to live somewhere else has by far exceeded the number of people moving into China to live there. Because the latter number includes returning emigrants, I conclude that the majority of migrants prefers the rest of the world to China.

Setanta wrote:

About as far as i'd go in ammending my original statement is to include the word government after the word Chinese.

Fair enough. So all you're saying is that the Chinese government likes the results of his own work, and that this qualifies China as an example of a successful socialist state. Correct?

Setanta wrote:

Except for seafood and cheese, food is very inexpensive in Canadia--the highest recommendation i could possibly give to a nation . . .

Do you mean cheap in nominal money prices or cheap in terms of how long people have to work and stand in line for it? The reason I'm asking is because Chinese wages are just as low by western standards as Chinese food is -- possibly lower.

-- Thomas

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Setanta wrote:

nimh wrote:
Setanta: "The Chinese might want to dispute your first contention there, Boss"

You mean in China socialism is not failing? Not failing in what?

Rather than suggest to me what i mean, why don't you read what i wrote? That too hard for you to pick up? Go pontificate to someone else--how very smug of you. There was no defense on my part of Chinese Communism--the only way it were apparent would be to you, after you've decided to interpret what i've written to suit your agument. Give me a break, o.k.?

Oh, give us all a break, Setanta. Your angry rants when someone touched you the wrong way are overall amusing enough, and an interesting side-feature of your otherwise usually solid arguments, but it's a bit tiresome when you get all worked up again about something that didnt actually happen. Well, I can rant, too!

First of all, I didnt put words into your mouth, I asked you a friggin question. Whats the bleedin question mark for, you think? Because, yes, from the elliptic remark you had made, I could only make that you seemed to suggest that in China socialism was not failing; but this surprised me so much that I thought I'd doublecheck. It's not like I went, "you, Setanta, can defend Chinese communism all you want", or something, I merely asked: "You mean in China socialism is not failing?". And I asked it with some surprise, yes.

And, as it turns out from your response, that was exactly what you suggested. Because this time, you replied, "Whether or not you agree, the Chinese consider their government socialist, and whether or not you agree, they consider their government a success." So, for one, I dont see what you got yourself so rattled up for. If you actually think the Chinese consider their government both socialist and successful, then why the hell was it such a misdemeanour for me to ask you whether you really thnk socialism isnt failing in China? Apparently, you do, to at least some extent - so spare me your preaching about reinterpreting, putting words in your mouth, etc. If you've got some issue with me just come up with whatever it is, instead of badgering me over the head about something I didnt do for a full ranting paragraph.

And, two, no, I most emphatically dont agree. Not just do I disagree that the Chinese government is either socialist or succesful, I also disagree with your submission that the Chinese people themselves think so. What on earth would you base such an estimation on? There is tremendous discontent in China. Some of it concerns the mode of government, as we already witnessed fourteen years ago (and not just on Tienanmen Square); and some of it concerns exactly the Chinese government's failure to at least, if its going to be a communist dictatorship, do the socialism thing well. Rampant corruption and an increasingly yawning chasm between rich and poor take even the "socialist"-labeled justifications for the dictatorship there out. And that's just the summary in case you meant "Chinese" in an ethnic sense, for if you meant all Chinese citizens one can add the fury of the inhabitants of Tibet and Xhinjiang as well.

Oh, but I forget, you didnt actually mean that the Chinese consider their government a success - you have since amended that, so I shouldnt suggest you did, cause I might get a mouthwash again. You meant merely that the Chinese government considered itself a success. Well, duh. Much like the government of Ethiopia considers itself very successful in poverty eradication. That doesnt mean much whatsoever, in terms of your original objection to what Scrat said about there being no successful socialist states, does it, though?

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Thomas wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Except for seafood and cheese, food is very inexpensive in Canadia--the highest recommendation i could possibly give to a nation . . .

Do you mean cheap in nominal money prices or cheap in terms of how long people have to work and stand in line for it? The reason I'm asking is because Chinese wages are just as low by western standards as Chinese food is -- possibly lower.

Ehm, Thomas - he said "Canada" ... <giggles>. You'd better watch out, you might get a lecture about reinterpreting things too! <grins>

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What a pompous jack ass: "Oh, give us all a break, Setanta. Your angry rants when someone touched you the wrong way are overall amusing enough, and an interesting side-feature of your otherwise usually solid arguments, but it's a bit tiresome when you get all worked up again about something that didnt actually happen. Well, I can rant, too." Yeah, and you usually do rant, after showing up and spouting your opinion as though it were revealed truth. It certainly did happen that you took what i wrote to mean something which was not in the actual words i wrote, so you are, as usual, deeply impressed with how correct you are, and the depth of what you take to be your wisdom--and you are, as usual, wrong.

For the idiots Nimh and Thomas--the remark i made to Scrat was most certainly occassioned by my respose to how tedious i find his crap, and yes, i probably ought to have written that the Chinese government might not agree with him. That doesn't authorize the specious inferences you both draw. Such as Thomas assuming that by restating the remark that the Chinese government would disagree means that they might suggest that they are a successful socialist state--which in no way supports an inference that i think as much. The both of you continue to paint a rather bland and ironic question asked of Scrat, because he/she annoys me, and uses a hit-an-run forensic technique which it is fun to turn back on her/him, as a global statement on my part in praise of the government of the PRC. But that is nowhere in the content of the single sentence from which this arises, and the inference can only be drawn by either of you after having added meaning to what i wrote which is willful inference from supposition, and not drawn from what i actually wrote.

I don't give two shits if the Chinese government were correct or incorrect to consider themselves successfully socialist, and it doesn't matter to what i wrote either. In both of your replies, it is apparent that both of you are willing to continue to draw inference without substantiation. Help yourselves, what a pair of planks.

That is so much the case with Thomas, that he equates a remark i made in jest to Lola about Canada as applying to China.

thomas wrote:

Setanta wrote:
Except for seafood and cheese, food is very inexpensive in Canadia--the highest recommendation i could possibly give to a nation . . .

Do you mean cheap in nominal money prices or cheap in terms of how long people have to work and stand in line for it? The reason I'm asking is because Chinese wages are just as low by western standards as Chinese food is -- possibly lower.[/qutoe]

Your ego notwithstanding, it is entirely reasonable that i might write something here which was not addressed to you, and has no reference to whatever rant you have most recently embarked upon. This remark of mine has to do with the cost of food in Canada[/i], and has nothing to do with China. Go vent you spleen about the working and living conditions of the Chinese on someone else, i've written not one word here on that topic. When you lash out with something like this, making an obvious and eggregious error, you simply make yourself look foolish. After all, food is inexpensive everywhere i've seen it in Canada, and i greatly appreciate that circumstance.

Nihm, you're rather dim. I've already been down the road about what the Chinese people as a whole may or may not think about socialism and success--but then, it wouldn't be as much fun for you to join Thomas in his mountain-from-molehill-building if you weren't obtuse enough to rehash it, would it.

Now is this a spectacle--Thomas in his apparent doderage, unable to clearly state what he wishes to say, and unwilling to distinguish what i write about China and what i write about Canada; Nimh in his wonderful estimation of his own powers of apprehension indignant that anyone would criticize him for having put words into their mouth. As i said above, what a pair of planks. You both need to get over yourselves.

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