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Conservative Bias in the Media

 
 
Scipio
 
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Reply Tue 3 Jun, 2003 10:36 pm
Yes. But I think you already knew that.

See, I could go into the reasons why holding an opinion WHILE REPORTING NEWS is wrong, but I think you know that too. Razz
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2003 10:33 pm
Quote:
a) A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.
b) An unfair act or policy stemming from prejudice.


So, it is actually more than just having an opinion, 'inhibiting impartiality' and 'stemming from prejudice' being the key phrases here.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Wed 4 Jun, 2003 11:15 pm
A guy on the street may speak his opinion, inhibited by partiality.

When he is paid to report the news, and his impartiality is inhibited-- you get slant, bias. I think most reporters try to avoid it--but I think we have all discovered during our time here, it is extraordinarily difficult to see one's own bias.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 08:32 am
sofia

Of course, it isn't just the guy with the makeup plopped in front of the six o'clock camera, or bent over his keyboard. It's editorial policies and leanings established (increasingly) at corporate levels, it is cultural context, it is access to information from outside of one's own context, etc.

A common observation from outside of the US during the war and run up to it, was that US media, generally, is insular, self-referential, and uniquely limited in its range of permissable viewpoints. You've seen such comments here from almost everyone writing from outside the US. And those of us who read a lot of non US media, have found this to be accurate. Many of us have found it so profoundly true that it is deeply worrisome.

When a multiplicity of voices suggests bias, but a single voice denies it, which do you think more likely to be actually guilty of it?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 08:38 am
Very well put, blatham. I do wonder sometimes why it is so difficult in the U.S. to find out what fringe parties even think. It would appear that the general citizenry is so little trusted (by somebody, at any rate) that the range of opinions from which they are allowed to choose must be very limited. A Socialist Party rally in Trafalgar square isn't really that big a deal, but here... well, watching the police response to the WTO protests in Seattle a couple of years ago -- protests that were remarkably more peaceful than similar protests against the same organization in some other countries -- turned my stomach.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 08:46 am
patiodog

Yes...there is a disconnection between myth and real. Kent State and Columbine, as just two examples, are unique American events, and neither can be imagined occuring in Britain. The mythologies prevent observation.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 08:50 am
from radio Netherlands... for those with a bit of courage
http://www.rnw.nl/amsterdamforum/html/030517ch_trans.html
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 08:59 am
blatham wrote:
It's editorial policies and leanings established (increasingly) at corporate levels...

I'd ask you to justify this claim by citing such and editorial policy, but what's the point, right? You don't need a basis for your claims. You claim it, and the world is supposed to accept it as fact.

I personally don't believe you are aware of any such policy. I think you are asserting a baseless opinion as fact.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:01 am
patiodog wrote:
Very well put, blatham. I do wonder sometimes why it is so difficult in the U.S. to find out what fringe parties even think.

Maybe because it isn't news. It is not the job of the media to be the marketing arm for every group that has a political message. It is the job of the members of those fringe parties to get their own message out. If their message is one of interest to enough people, the media are likely to pick up on it. If not, that's just reality.

I would love to see the Libertarian and the Constitution parties get more media coverage than they do, but that's a question of scale. They are smaller parties, involved in less, with less chance to have an impact on people's lives. That makes what they do and say less newsworthy than what the Democrat and the Republican parties do and say.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:08 am
scrat darling

We do know what you think.

Tell you what. Let's do a little experiment. Each of us, over the next seven days, will keep track of everything we read both online and in hard copy. We'll meet again here after that period, and break down everything we've bumped into as to source and content. This will give us both some real data on scope and variety in information you and I are seeking out. Wanna play?
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:11 am
Blatham - On what basis would I assume you would follow through? You can't be asked to provide a single source for a single statement you make. Your arrogance is outpaced only by your sloth.

No, I don't want to play your silly games. Haven't you figured that out by now?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:15 am
scrat my sweetness

Yes, dear.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:21 am
Scrat wrote:
Blatham - On what basis would I assume you would follow through? You can't be asked to provide a single source for a single statement you make. Your arrogance is outpaced only by your sloth.

No, I don't want to play your silly games. Haven't you figured that out by now?


So nasty wasn't necessary, was it?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:33 am
Scrat wrote:
patiodog wrote:
Very well put, blatham. I do wonder sometimes why it is so difficult in the U.S. to find out what fringe parties even think.

Maybe because it isn't news. It is not the job of the media to be the marketing arm for every group that has a political message. It is the job of the members of those fringe parties to get their own message out. If their message is one of interest to enough people, the media are likely to pick up on it. If not, that's just reality.

I would love to see the Libertarian and the Constitution parties get more media coverage than they do, but that's a question of scale. They are smaller parties, involved in less, with less chance to have an impact on people's lives. That makes what they do and say less newsworthy than what the Democrat and the Republican parties do and say.


It's not just coverage of events I'm talking about -- in fact, my main concern is with analysis. You flip on one of these panelist shows on one of the cable news networks, which, really, is where most people get their analysis of the news, and the range of ideas presented is very narrow. Even the commentators who are always at one another's throats rarely express any ideas that are very far apart on the world's political spectrum. There is value in hearing an "extreme" position on an issue, if for no other reason than to be forced to defend your own position against it. Just because the political machine is dominated by one or two schools of thought doesn't mean that these should only be viewed through the same intellectual lenses as those by whom they are enacted.

Nor do I think this is solely a media issue. I've noticed in travelling that random people -- people I meet on the train or in a bar -- tend to be more open to various ideas than people here. (Which is not to say that most people would rather not think than think, justs that there is more of a culture of spirited intellectual debate among individuals in other places I've been.) If I say we are insular, it doesn't mean that I think we ignore world events, but that we generally are not inclined to look at them very critically. I think there is a disturbing attitude of anti-intellectualism in the U.S. (and I don't think you yourself are guilty of it, Scrat, however much we may disagree, which is sort of the point I'm trying to make in my verbosity and my parenthetically convoluted post); the media we support is reflective of this, but by being so it also engenders us. To revert to a previous metaphor, it seems to me that our major news outlets (and their inherent editorial bents) serve us more as a mirror than as a lens.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 09:37 am
As to your attack on Blatham -- there's this focus on boards about verifiability. If every statement must be verified, a discussion of ideas will never be possible. Verifiability is important, but we're all adults; we've all come to opinions about the world, ideas about how the world operates that are based upon our own range of experiences. Nothing wrong with throwing those things out there and letting them clash together in the air. It's not like we're going to come up with a solution to the world's problems here, anyway. (Or anywhere else, for that matter; all biological systems eventually stabilize in a struggle for survival until something destabilizes them again, and there's no reason humans should be excepted from this.)
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:37 pm
PDiddie wrote:
So nasty wasn't necessary, was it?

PD - I can always count on you to be my moral compass here, but tell me, who is performing that function for Blatham and company? It seems you have one standard for liberals and another for everyone else.

But let's get back on topic. I just need to get it through my head once and for all that Blatham has nothing substantive to offer on any topic. He merely weighs in here because he enjoys the pretense of knowledge far more than the real thing. Don't worry your pretty little head about it, PD, he and I won't have a problem anymore. Cool
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:42 pm
Enough of that pissing contest guys. The last time I looked this thread was about, "Conservative Bias in the Media". Shall we get back on topic!
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:43 pm
patiodog wrote:
there's this focus on boards about verifiability. If every statement must be verified, a discussion of ideas will never be possible.

There is a difference between discussing ideas and stating that media have standing editorial policies. The latter appears to be a statement of fact, offered without any proof. If I wrote that the NYTimes had a standing editorial policy to promote a liberal bias, I would expect people to jump all over that claim and ask me either to support it or to retract it.

Some ideas fare far better when those who hold them prohibit any inspection of the merits thereof. These are not--in my opinion--ideas in which anyone ought to be putting any stock.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 12:44 pm
Phoenix32890 wrote:
Enough of that pissing contest guys. The last time I looked this thread was about, "Conservative Bias in the Media". Shall we get back on topic!

Yes, let's.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Thu 5 Jun, 2003 04:43 pm
Scrat wrote:
There is a difference between discussing ideas and stating that media have standing editorial policies.


ah, so -- I was not responding in terms of that particular comment.

Still, I have the very strong impression, even when all I do is flip back and forth between the 2 Canadian networks I get and the US cable news outlets, that a broader range of opinion is expressed elsewhere, and I do agree that this is detrimental (or at the very least boring).
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