Arella Mae wrote:So I take it you aren't buying the dream that Pilate's wife had? Pilate's wife had a dream and told Pilate to have nothing to do with that man. I would think it perfectly reasonable for Pilate to do just that, wash his hands of the whole deal.
Well, maybe Pilate's wife did have the dream, but I can't buy the fact he would wash his hands on the entire deal. Pilate was a tyrannical, brutal man that would have executed anyone going around saying he was the King of Kings.
Pilate's wife isn't the only one whom supposedly had a dream.
Julius Casear's wife, also had one too.
Quote:He died unusually quickly? Got any scripture to back that up? I'm not saying he didn't. Can't say that I've ever run across that before.
Crucifixion is death by suffocation. However, the Romans got tired of waiting so they broke the legs of the two criminals that were crucified along with him.
Quote:Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other.
John 19:31-32
However, they did not break Jesus' legs, which suggests he exhibited signs that he may have already been dead. But to check, they pierced his side with a spear.
Quote:But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
John 19:33-34
So, he died far quicker than the other criminals. Now this may have been because he was flogged before cruxificion, but that was required by Roman law and all criminals were flogged before crucifixion.
There is also the possibility that he wasn't really dead at the time, but was unconscious. But it's merely a possibility.
Quote:Are you trying to perhaps tell me that since he took Aloe and it had healing properties that Jesus didn't die but was wounded only or something? Also, got any scripture that says it was aloe?
It is possible. I also read that there was something unusual about the fact that Roman guards were guarding the tomb and that such a thing shouldn't really have happened as there really was not point in having the tomb guarded.
However, as for the scripture that says aloe...
Quote:Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.
John 19:38-40
Now, it does state that this was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. However, I've been told that Jewish burial customs haven't changed and most people I've asked state that the herbs are merely there for cosmetic reasons to make the body appear as lifelife as possible. Hence, myrrh and aloes do not necessarily have to be used. Any herbs that can get rid of the stench of death is just as good.
Still, this is just one viewpoint that I wanted to make clear. It's equally valid as Christ dying and resurrecting, and there's nothing to suggest that either one is more true than the other.
There is one more thing I'd like to point out which gives the "Jesus may not have really died" hypothesis equal footing with the traditional view.
In India, there is a tomb to a wiseman called Issa or Jesus. He is buried in the traditional Jewish manner of, I think it's facing west-to-east (or was that the Arabic burial method? I can't remember which it is, because there's an Arabic tomb near by and I always get their burial methods confused).
Casts were made of his feet and they seem to have had wounds that suggest that they had nails shoved through them, in a way that suggests that they were nailed together in the way feet are nailed together in a crucifixion.
It could relaly be that Jesus survived and went to his Apostles, thinking he really had resurrected from the dead.
Or it could be that this is a completely different Jesus.
Who knows?
It doesn't help that the fact that in Shakespearian times, India was the name for some kind of other-wordly afterlife.
