1
   

Why the Left Is Furious at Lieberman; Iraq is only a part

 
 
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 06:57 pm
That's the sort of twisted logic the far right is counting on to confuse voters into voting Bush's line.
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 07:13 pm
Really? Do you have a link to show it is "twisted logic". The only thing that has ever been twisted as far as I am concerned is Bill Clinton's cigar!!
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 07:19 pm
Since this thread is supposed to be about Senator Lieberman, we should return to the topic.

Senator Lieberman has a wonderful Ad in which he reviews his record and then says that he:

HAS NOT USED MONEY TO BUY WHORES AND FIREWORKS.

Guess who has used his money to buy Whores and Fireworks?

A six letter name beginning with L and ending with T. He happens to be the Democratic Candidate for Senator in Connecticut.

I am not surprised since he is only following a long tradition of whoremongers beginning with President Jack Kennedy and followed by the incomparably sleazy adolescent Bill Clinton!!
0 Replies
 
real life
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:12 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
That's the sort of twisted logic the far right is counting on to confuse voters into voting Bush's line.


How is CT not a lose-lose, o wise one?

I am assuming you may think that a Lamont win would be a positive for Liberals. ( I may be wrong. It has happened, rarely. Laughing )

How would a further tilt to the left help the Dems capture the center in 2008?
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:36 pm
Quote:
How would a further tilt to the left help the Dems capture the center in 2008?


The Republicans have pursued a strategy of moving farther and farther right, and have used the politics of polarization and dissent to capture the center; why should the Dems act any different?

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
How would a further tilt to the left help the Dems capture the center in 2008?


The Republicans have pursued a strategy of moving farther and farther right, and have used the politics of polarization and dissent to capture the center; why should the Dems act any different?

Cycloptichorn


I don't think they should. I think they should keep moving left, for the good of the country.
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:48 pm
And under Hillary, Ticomaya, they will continue to the left!!!
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:48 pm
Sure, sure. Public opinion has steadily moved to the left of the Republicans' opinions on key issues - the economy, Iraq, terrorism, stem cell research, etc... but the Dems embracing this will scare them all back into the Republican fold once they see what commie pinko bastards we really are at heart.

You have it all figured out.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Ticomaya
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:50 pm
Sounds like you have it all figured out too.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:52 pm
Oh, I just cribbed old Dem notes on why they thought they would hold on to Congress forever and switched the polarity. Can't take credit for it.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:00 pm
The economy??? Cyclo can't be serious. We have a 4.7% unemployment rate( that means full employment by definition); a deficit for the year which is only 2% of the GDP( European deficits are around 3% of GDP); rising intake of monies by the Treasury Department, despite President Bush's tax cuts, because tax cuts lead to more investment in jobs which leads to more revenue.

Ticomaya. It is clear that Cyclo knows almost nothing about the "economy"
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:02 pm
Cyclo cites "Terrorism"??? Does he really think that the American Voter will view the Democrats as the party that can handle "terrorism"?
0 Replies
 
BernardR
 
  1  
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 10:05 pm
Stem cell research? Does Cyclo know that a new technique has just been announced that can take one cell from an embryo without killing that embryo?

Cyclo should read up!!!
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 01:45 am
real life wrote:
Gore and Lieberman.

Gore couldn't even win his own home state while running for President, because of the (Tennessee) scandals and his own environmental hypocrisy in his (literal) backyard.

Lieberman will come very close and possibly win a Senate seat for his state without the support of his own party.

This is the gang that Liberals wanted to install in the White House after trying to steal as many votes as they could in 2000. But it didn't quite work.

We would have had a man with (at least) guts and (some) principle as VP, serving under 'the inventor of the internet' ( who also believes the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat to the world), who had not the guts to distance himself from the then-current Prevaricator-in-Chief, and who also vice-presided over the stock market meltdown of 2000 terming the economy of that day 'the best in the last 50 years'.

What will Libs come up with next? And they think they are ready for prime time and can handle national security?

The last time Libs were in the White House , we were attacked by terrorists on at least 4 separate occasions and DID NOTHING substantial.

Attack on the WTC 1
Attack on two embassies in Africa
Attack on the Khobar Towers
Attack on the USS Cole

Liberals in the CT primary voted down one of the few that wore their label who understands the threat to the country that we face. (Ed Koch seems to be another.)

I can't wait to see the result in CT.

It's lose-lose for the Libs.

If Lieberman prevails in blue CT, the party is completely turned upside down and the 2008 Presidential aspirants will have to sprint to the middle.

If Lieberman loses, the 2008 slate shifts so far to the left that John Kerry circa 2004 will look like Ronald Reagan in comparison.


Excellent summary, real life. A most balanced summary of it all, which Edgar calls twisted logic.
0 Replies
 
BumbleBeeBoogie
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 08:23 am
Real Life
Real Life, now that you've gotten all of that off your chest, I have to tell you that you have a long way to go to reach the plateau of conservative hate-mongering offered by Ann Coulter. But I'm sure you work on it.

BBB Rolling Eyes
0 Replies
 
kelticwizard
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:14 am
real life wrote:
and who also vice-presided over the stock market meltdown of 2000 terming the economy of that day 'the best in the last 50 years'.


There WAS no stock market meltdown in 2000.

Con't you conservatives EVER get your facts straight before posting this dross on message boards? You have had six years to get your story straight, and you haven't manged it yet!

Here is the Dow Jones under three presidents. You show me the stock market "meltdown of 2000".

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/kelticwizard100/DowJones3Pres.gif
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:32 am
Your graph illustrates when all the rich libs become too giddy and run up the stock prices to unrealistic levels. Also throw in an overlay for the internet stock bubble, where unbelievable prices were being run up for companies that had no hope for any profit for the foreseeable future. It was called monopoly money, with people holding big stock portfolios building summer homes in the mountains. It all went bust, as it had to, regardless of who was president. The stock markets are still correcting themselves for an artificial run-up in the prices. If you look at your graph, you will see it peaked out a year or two before Clinton left office, so the downturn was already occurring before Bush took office. Considering 911, I think it has performed decently since then.

In total seriousness, Clinton was lucky to ride the wave. But give credit where credit is due, the Republican Congress in charge of a budget that became virtually balanced.
0 Replies
 
kelticwizard
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 12:20 pm
okie wrote:
If you look at your graph, you will see it peaked out a year or two before Clinton left office, so the downturn was already occurring before Bush took office.


What the heck are you looking at, okie? The chart clearly shows no downturn of any description, and certainly no "meltdown" that realife seems to mysteriously see.

The whole reason for posting a chart is to illustrate things clearly. When you are given a pictorial representation that stock prices rose several years and then held steady in 2000, it is arrogance in the extreme to post that they were undergoing a downturn or a "meltdown". Christ, you can see right there they did not! [/quote]




okie wrote:
Your graph illustrates when all the rich libs become too giddy and run up the stock prices to unrealistic levels.

You get that, folks? According to Okie here, only liberals invested in the stock market in the nineties. Presumably, ample-pocketed conservatives stayed away, or did not increase their investments at all during that decade.

Besides which, this business that the nineties were a false economy is a conservative myth, designed to cover the fact that Bush's economic performance is abysmal. Under Clinton, unemployment went from 7.2 down to 4.0 percent. A much greater percentage of people age 25 to 54 were actually working than are now. Those people were bringing in paychecks, buying goods and services, contributing to the economy. The nineties were not a false economy, despite Republicans telling you so.
0 Replies
 
nimh
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 12:31 pm
okie wrote:
In total seriousness, Clinton was lucky to ride the wave. But give credit where credit is due, the Republican Congress in charge of a budget that became virtually balanced.

Ehmm, ok. So..:

1994-2000: Dem president, Rep Congress; budgets became balanced
2000-2006: Rep president, Rep Congress; deficits ballooned

Who's to thank for the balanced budget in the former period? Well, the Rep congress of course.

Uuuuhhhmmmmm... <blinks>
0 Replies
 
okie
 
  1  
Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 12:37 pm
kelticwizard wrote:

What the heck are you looking at, okie? The chart clearly shows no downturn of any description, and certainly no "meltdown" that realife seems to mysteriously see.

The whole reason for posting a chart is to illustrate things clearly. When you are given a pictorial representation that stock prices rose several years and then held steady in 2000, it is arrogance in the extreme to post that they were undergoing a downturn or a "meltdown". Christ, you can see right there they did not!


It did not drop like a rock, keltic, but the upward trend clearly was stalling out.

Quote:
You get that, folks? According to Okie here, only liberals invested in the stock market in the nineties. Presumably, ample-pocketed conservatives stayed away, or did not increase their investments at all during that decade.

I said that about libs running up stocks sort of tongue in cheek, but half serious. I am not here to claim libs control the stock market. I do think however that there is a minor effect exerted on the stock market that relates to the liberal psyche. Libs are depressed right now, and kind of in the tank, and some don't even invest very aggressively when they are pessimistic. They make up a portion of investors I would consider to be "emotional investors." Most are fairly pragmatic at the end of the day, but compared to conservatives, I think more emotional. If a lib was elected president again, there is a smaller percentage of the emotional market investors that will run out and start buying stocks again, thinking that there might be another Clintonian phase wherein the budget will be balanced again, blah, blah, blah. I think the market will correct itself again after a time, but yes keltic, I think the market has an emotional component, and liberals are emotional.

Quote:
Besides which, this business that the nineties were a false economy is a conservative myth, designed to cover the fact that Bush's economic performance is abysmal. Under Clinton, unemployment went from 7.2 down to 4.0 percent. A much greater percentage of people age 25 to 54 were actually working than are now. Those people were bringing in paychecks, buying goods and services, contributing to the economy. The nineties were not a false economy, despite Republicans telling you so.


I won't deny the numbers, but there are many factors beyond Clinton that brought all of this about. And the dot com bubble is a documented part of history, keltic.
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2025 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 02/06/2025 at 06:09:47