Why the Left Is Furious at Lieberman; Iraq is only a part

Approaching approaching, well, good try, one of them was correct.

I'll try that sentence again -

Far to the left of Lieberman is approaching right of center, from the right, re the rest of the world.

I know something about USA's corporate asponsored drama in the name of democracy.

If Iwere Joseph Lieberman I wuld have quit this nonsense.
But he is Lieberman
Iam a man with the name Rama

Nonsense.

Check out this thread I started today. The mystery platform I described, as some posters sussed out pretty quickly, was that of Jesse Jackson, just twenty years ago.

Today, no Democrat except for maybe Dennis Kucinich with his zero percentage would dare to propose even half of those platform planks of Jesse's. That's how far to the left they are of what is even remotely acceptable in the Democratic party's mainstream today. And I even left out some of the most radical proposals (15% cut to the Pentagon budget, reparations to the descendants of slaves).

And yet, at the time, Jesse Jackson was a mainstream candidate, who got one third of the primary vote, and was even the frontrunner for a bit. Unimaginable now.

In these last 20 years, the Democratic party has moved right, not left.

Sorry to have to correct you, nimh, but Jesse Jackson was never a mainstream candidate.

Also, there is nothing in that platform that is totally unlike the Democratic platform of today. Perhaps different terms, but the same stuff. And I think even Bush has proposed a Palestinian state, but Obama's friends and advisors want to eliminate Israel altogether, so how is Obama to the right of Jackson?

And another interesting note, has anyone asked Obama about reparations? I doubt he would dismiss the possibility. Nor would I dismiss alot of things that Obama might do if he actually said what he believed, which I am pretty convinced he knows he can't say. I think it should be obvious that Obama is not being straight with the American people about his true beliefs, which I am guessing is further left of his voting record in the Senate, which is one of the most left, if not the most left leaning in the Senate.

Good try, nimh. But okie's circles are circular and they circle back inexorably.

Perhaps Jackson got more votes than I remember, but I don't recall anyone giving him any kind of a legitimate chance at winning anything.

I've no interest in eliminating israel, but I do think a palestinian state is beyond fair. I'm sorry working things out hasn't worked out.

I understand how hatred happens. Part of why I despise bombs of all sorts, and also understand them. But, finally, hate them.

Yeh, I voted for Jackson in that primary too.

belittling puny Libermann or any xyz will never shape the world.
Exposing the criminals who endorse all the barbaric activitivities who shake the world..

I am here to expose the successor of BUSH

Jackson came in a distant third to Mondale and Hart, and then Mondale was completely wiped out in the general, so Jackson was beaten by very weak candidates. Call him mainstream if you want, but he is nothing more than a very controversial figure that has only marginal support. And his policies are probably no more left than Obama's. Jackson is more forthright in his beliefs, whereas Obama manages to ride the fence, but Obama is just as extreme, if not more than Jackson in my opinion, yet he has all but wrapped up the nomination, so the Party has moved left, no question.

A note about Kucinich, he is outspoken and seemingly honest about his left leaning beliefs, while Obama is crafty and frames all of his talk with evasive explanations, in an effort to be all things to all people. I respect Kucinich alot more because he seems to be open about his beliefs, but bottom line, Kucinich is no more left than Obama, in fact people argue over which is more liberal or left leaning.

Mooving towards corporate sponsored left will never uplift the image of USA.
Axis of evils are eagerly awaiting.
China is not interested in y<our country's humanright problems.
India seeks the help of Brazil.
Germans are seeking their life elsewhere.
Preach not your sermons.
Pave the way for a better world..

He got 6.8 million votes in the '88 primaries.

He got 29% of the vote.

He won 11 states.

At one point (after Michigan) he had more delegates than anyone else.

That's pretty mainstream.

Today, many of his proposals - for example, creating a single-payer system of universal health care - are only represented by Dennis Kucinich, who doesnt even get 1% of the vote.

Other proposals of Jesse Jackson's - say, reviving many of Roosevelt's New Deal-era farm programs, and a New Deal-style mass state employment program to build infrastructure - or cutting the defense budget by 15% - or giving reparations to descendants of black slaves - or making community college free to all - have just fallen out of the political landscape. Aint no presidential candidate proposing that kind of thing. Yeah, maybe Gravel.

The fact that 20 years ago, a major Democratic presidential candidate could run on a platform like that, and proceed to win almost one in three votes in the whole primary season, says something about how times have changed. Jesse's program was truly a left-wing program. You dont have that anymore now in mainstream, national politics.


No they dont.

An opinion based on nothing more than suspicion. Not on Obama's actual platform, not on what he actually proposes, not on anything he's actually done as politician so far, but only on your suspicions that all that is just a smokescreen and really, behind all that, inside, he's a radical socialist of sorts.

You dont have any evidence for that, but then you dont need to, cause your argument is that you cant trust anything Obama has actually said or done anyway. Blatham's rather Ramaesque post is right: your "circles are circular and they circle back inexorably".

Iraq war is barbarism PURE.
Those who uphold and justify this barbarism are not with humanity and supporter of Hilter's catholism.
Not all jews are jesus or Karl marx.