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and from the Beatitudes of Mr Red we have "stuff it"

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Pot/kettle; kettle/pot; pot/kettle

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RexRed wrote:

Snood if you really have a personal private reason for not supporting the war then I can understand and respect that and I am sorry.

No apology necessary. And my problems with this war are the same as those which are commonly known. I'm just not rehashing it all.

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A few Italian friends of mine in Connecticut used to talk about the old-timers and their ties with the Mafia. They were angered by their parents/ grandparents ability to rationalize all the concrete-weighted bodies rotting at the bottom of the river by virtue of the gifts the mafia gave, including enough money to build a children's wing addition to the local hospital; the old timers would also brag that their neighborhood was the safest in the city because of their Mafioso neighbors. Murder for safety , a wing on a hospital versus murder.

Your justification for the war is just as obscene, even worse, by justifying the deaths of almost 3,000 men and women and an unknown number of Iraqi's, because Iraq is better off without Saddam ? How can you rationalize those deaths? How can you say it's all right that we are at war under false pretences, a web of lies?

If that is what you believe, why aren't we at war with many other countries whose leaders are equally tyrannical and sadistic as Saddam, some leaders who are much worse?

How many deaths will it take to make you question the integrity of the US's position?

The exchange of human life for oil and the bottom line of huge corporations.

Your piety and religious fervor are admirable indeed.

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Diane wrote:

A few Italian friends of mine in Connecticut used to talk about the old-timers and their ties with the Mafia. They were angered by their parents/ grandparents ability to rationalize all the concrete-weighted bodies rotting at the bottom of the river by virtue of the gifts the mafia gave, including enough money to build a children's wing addition to the local hospital; the old timers would also brag that their neighborhood was the safest in the city because of their Mafioso neighbors. Murder for safety , a wing on a hospital versus murder.

Your justification for the war is just as obscene, even worse, by justifying the deaths of almost 3,000 men and women and an unknown number of Iraqi's, because Iraq is better off without Saddam ? How can you rationalize those deaths? How can you say it's all right that we are at war under false pretences, a web of lies?

If that is what you believe, why aren't we at war with many other countries whose leaders are equally tyrannical and sadistic as Saddam, some leaders who are much worse?

How many deaths will it take to make you question the integrity of the US's position?

The exchange of human life for oil and the bottom line of huge corporations.

Your piety and religious fervor are admirable indeed.

You justify the deaths of 3000 men by only considering the death that leaving the butcher of Baghdad in power would have tolled later.

By Libya being nuclear and Iran well on it's way...

By the graves in Afghanistan of women teachers.

The list goes on and on.

Democracies are friendlier to their people.

So over time the benefit of spreading democracy completely outweighs allowing a tyrant like Saddam to fester and grow.

Then we have American men and women dying like we did in WW2.

What would you prefer 3000 American soldiers dead or 30,000 dead?

It seems that the left is mad that we did not let Saddam get powerful enough to kill enough Americans...

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Diane,

A few more months and who else would have been bought off on the UN "SECURITY" council?

As it is we have Putin looking to be the next Fuhrer..

And Russia and China don't need "oil" money?

What are all the Chinese and Russian deals in Iran? Because they love wacky radical murdering mullas?

Hell they have paid for and supplied Iran with nuclear technology? This is not to "free" Iran from tyranny but to line their pockets alone... But not a word out of the left over that.

Now isn't that WMD too for their neighbor Israel whom they want to "wipe of the face of the earth" (which is still flat to the Iranian clerics)?

Nice bedfellows Russia and China keep.

Isn't that for OIL too?

We get rid of one dictator and they prop up another.

I suppose we should just stay home and when they knock on YOUR door with serin gas and IED's you can pull out the pea shooter.

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rex

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What would you prefer 3000 American soldiers dead or 30,000 dead?

It seems that the left is mad that we did not let Saddam get powerful enough to kill enough Americans...

1 If a war is not "just" why should we accept ANY dead? You are dismissing those killed . These are our kids.You cant even make a decent argument that whatever is being done in Iraq is of any value except to train insurgents and soldiers for the impending Civil War.

Saddam only became an issue when they couldnt make WMDs stick. The "quick change" policy of Bush will be swallowed by the red white and gullible like you.

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dyslexia wrote:

and from the Beatitudes of Mr Red we have "stuff it"

Careful, I haven't even begun to throw over the temple tables...

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This is all very odd.

On the one hand there is the anti-war faction which is surely posited on the teaching of Jesus that one should "turn the other cheek" when smitten by an enemy and on the other a Jesus fanatic who is for slamming the buggers where it hurts most.

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farmerman wrote:

rex
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What would you prefer 3000 American soldiers dead or 30,000 dead?

It seems that the left is mad that we did not let Saddam get powerful enough to kill enough Americans...

1 If a war is not "just" why should we accept ANY dead? You are dismissing those killed . These are our kids.You cant even make a decent argument that whatever is being done in Iraq is of any value except to train insurgents and soldiers for the impending Civil War.

Saddam only became an issue when they couldn't make WMDs stick. The "quick change" policy of Bush will be swallowed by the red white and gullible like you.

We didn't make our enemy... radical fundamental Islam made them. We are only reacting to their violence.

If we wait we pay a greater toll of life in the future.

This is common math it has not only to do with ethics. Except that if we do not act sooner rather than later the math will increase.

Just like breast cancer. Do you cut it out and treat it or hope it will not spread? This is not Christian science.

Hatred is a cancerous tumor that eventually kills it's host.

I am not about to take chances with the free world because a few on that left feel sorry for Saddam. Or whatever their problem is. Or they hate Bush boo hoo... What about the work at hand? What about our duty to the world and society? What about the risk to the future free world if we leave this murderous armed cult to them to have to die for. And they will die in much greater number, because we let it grow. Because we scoffed at our responsibility.

The time to do this is now.

We have 5 democrats opposing this war... And you are on their side?

How noble of you all...

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It's an important issue Spendi, Bush and Blair made a terrible move with Iraq.

One might say 'Pandora's Box' is now open.

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Mathos wrote:

It's an important issue Spendi, Bush and Blair made a terrible move with Iraq.

One might say 'Pandora's Box' is now open.

Age of mythology, cool game... (Your avatar)

Wanna play some time?

Pandora opened her box when she hit the WTC.

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New threats issued today to bomb London again...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202343,00.html

Should we be like the 3 monkeys and cover our ears, eyes and mouth and wait till the bombs start falling from the sky?

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Maybe the US should spend some of that 1 Billion a month to keep the Homeland safe? Youre not making really great arguments .

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farmerman wrote:

Maybe the US should spend some of that 1 Billion a month to keep the Homeland safe? Youre not making really great arguments .

You may be right I am not a military strategist or financial expert so I just hope the money is being spent in the right places FM. (I can't even balance a check book)

Do we let Al Qaeda spread until it surrounds us on all four sides? That is a legitimate question.

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Mathos (your avatar)

http://www.microsoft.com/games/ageofmythology/greek_home.asp

I have this game it is a great game.

I play lot's of video games...

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Red, I have read several of your comments, you need to think more. Your coming across as being so insecure it's ridiculously absurd.

WTC = Afghanistan. I can accept that.

Bombing f*** out of a country because daddy didn't and Sadam is still there in charge of his 'own oil' amount to criminality.

The loss of lives, every life since day one is murder.

The world would be a safer place if Sadam were released and put back in charge of his own country.

If he wants to extradite Bush and Blair for war crimes and put them on trial in his own country, I have no argument with that either.

I trust my position on this topic is amply illustrated.

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Mathos Wrote:

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The world would be a safer place if Sadam were released and put back in charge of his own country.

You mis-stated this, right? Shocked

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Not at all.

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Iraq will soon be a sovereign independent democracy and our troops will come home.

The same with Afghanistan. Afghanistan is training their own army too.

They are microcosms of free people within the most religiously indifferent of society.

If these people can be free and their neighbors realize what freedom means then they will desire freedom too.

I saw a report recently that Iran (because most of the older people have died in wars) is full of mostly young teen age idealistic arabs.

In other words they want to be free too.

Studies have shown that they desire a western style democracy and are not interested in the religion so much as their elders once were that is "when they were alive". It is like the US sixties in Iran where there are no grandparents because they all died in WW2. We have even seen a decline in religious fever in the US due to extended freedoms.

So the ruling cleric body of Iran is not going to last long.

The Iranian people will just eventually revolt against their government as England revolted against their king.

Especially when they see that Iraq and Afghanistan their neighbors have something they desire. Liberty...

Let alone that Iraq and Afghanistan will have the advantage over their neighbor of better relations with Israel and the "free" world in general.

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