tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:11 am
Synonymph wrote:

Are you saying we should be grateful what what we have? If so, toward whom should we direct that gratitude? Any suggestions?


I was hoping someone with spirituality would answer that, and confirm my suspicions.

In your opinion, in order to feel and express gratitude, is spirituality required?
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tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:14 am
Cyracuz wrote:

Curios notion. Maybe spirituality isn't more on the plate, but just a bigger plate?


And you need a bigger plate because...?
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Synonymph
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:14 am
"In your opinion, in order to feel and express gratitude, is spirituality required?"

To answer that question would be to get tangled in semantics, since definitions of spirituality vary wildly.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:15 am
Thanks for those answers on "self distancing".

Tycoon's reservations that this my be a form of "egotism" are indeed reflected in the divergent views of some notable 20th century figures.
Krishnamurti (mentioned above" had the dictum "truth is a pathless land". The "self" aims to "become" but true spirituality involves the shedding of such "becoming". Gurdjieff on the other hand claimed that the "ordinary self" is a mere cacophony of "little me's" and that a "higher self" is attainable through "work on self observation". Interestingly the two "systems" could be resolved by an ultimate concept of "the Absolute", which for the first seems to imply communion with "holistic consciousness" and for the second implies communion with "God". It is this second sense that "spirituality" is prone to confusion with "religion".
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:15 am
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see that Frank is about his usual business of substituting personal invective for a cogent response.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Tsk, tsk indeed--you should learn to remove the vicious aspect from your response to criticism. You do yourself no favor by using personal attack as your response to having the flaws in your simplistic views pointed out to you.


Yeah...but I'd pay more attention if it came from someone with a functioning brain.

And for you to lecture on "vicious aspect" in "response to criticism" is so goddam funny, I almost shyt my pants when I read it.

You are beautiful, Set. Simply beautiful!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:17 am
Synonymph wrote:
"In your opinion, in order to feel and express gratitude, is spirituality required?"

To answer that question would be to get tangled in semantics, since definitions of spirituality vary wildly.


Not if you simply answered it NO!


Which would be the obviously correct answer.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:17 am
Were the bible writers talking about spirituality when Jesus was quoted as saying "Blessed are the poor in spirit. . ." (Matthew 5:3)

And is that the same thing as when Jesus was quoted as saying that "God is a spirit"? (John 4:24)
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tycoon
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:18 am
Synonymph wrote:
"In your opinion, in order to feel and express gratitude, is spirituality required?"

To answer that question would be to get tangled in semantics, since definitions of spirituality vary wildly.


I was only interested in your opinion. That would have included your definition.

We can probably agree 'spirituality' has been ill-defined in this thread.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:23 am
tycoon wrote:
. . . We can probably agree 'spirituality' has been ill-defined in this thread.
You can say that again
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:27 am
tycoon,

I try to need as little as I can. I was just toying with your analogy.

But it just goes to show that the terms in play are indeed ill-defined, if not completely undefined.

In defining "spirituality", maybe it would be an aid to look at it's counterparts. What would be the oposite of leading a spiritual life?
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 09:28 am
tycoon wrote:
fresco wrote:
To all,

I have expressed the view here that "spirituality" constitutes a move away from "self". As a matter of interest, how many would agree or identify with this condition ?


I disagree. Spirituality appears to me to be egotistical in nature and in practice. It appears to be a pursuit of something more than what life is currently offering, and in that regard I feel sorry for those who need to go "there". My plate is full with both my eyes open and both my feet on the ground at all times.

I have the sneaking suspicion the term 'spirituality' is being used synonymously as 'religion', with the hope that the attendant baggage the latter word carries gets lost.

May I ask those with spirituality: Are there specific personalities who people your spiritual place? Do they look similar to Christian characters?



I have to confess - I was tempted to say that mine resemble Disney characters...... Laughing

I don't have any serious blurring of the lines in my understanding of "religion" and "spirituality" - certainly not intentionally, as you suggest - in an attempt to confuse people about my true motives.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 11:39 am
tycoon wrote:
May I ask those with spirituality: Are there specific personalities who people your spiritual place? Do they look similar to Christian characters?


No, there are not. But you would have to see my first post to understand what "spirituality" is to me.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 11:41 am
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see that Frank is about his usual business of substituting personal invective for a cogent response.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Tsk, tsk indeed--you should learn to remove the vicious aspect from your response to criticism. You do yourself no favor by using personal attack as your response to having the flaws in your simplistic views pointed out to you.


Yeah...but I'd pay more attention if it came from someone with a functioning brain.

And for you to lecture on "vicious aspect" in "response to criticism" is so goddam funny, I almost shyt my pants when I read it.

You are beautiful, Set. Simply beautiful!


You, however, are an ugly piece of work, as the character of your reponses demonstrates.
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Cyracuz
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 11:50 am
You two are made for eachother Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:16 pm
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see that Frank is about his usual business of substituting personal invective for a cogent response.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Tsk, tsk indeed--you should learn to remove the vicious aspect from your response to criticism. You do yourself no favor by using personal attack as your response to having the flaws in your simplistic views pointed out to you.


Yeah...but I'd pay more attention if it came from someone with a functioning brain.

And for you to lecture on "vicious aspect" in "response to criticism" is so goddam funny, I almost shyt my pants when I read it.

You are beautiful, Set. Simply beautiful!


You, however, are an ugly piece of work, as the character of your reponses demonstrates.


I've seen pictures of you. You ought not ever to call anyone else ugly. And as for the character of responses...I suggest you read all the slop you have used to pollute this forum.

You are a loser.
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neologist
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:23 pm
(ritchie cordell)

Children behave
Thats what they say when were together
And watch how you play
They dont understand
And so were

Chorus:
Running just as fast as we can
Holdin on to one anothers hand
Tryin to get away into the night
And then you put your arms around me
And we tumble to the ground
And then you say

I think were alone now
There doesnt seem to be anyone around
I think were alone now
The beating of our hearts is the only sound

Look at the way
We gotta hide what were doin
cause what would they say
If they ever knew
And so were

Repeat chorus

I think were alone now
There doesnt seem to be anyone around
I think were alone now
The beating of our hearts is the only sound
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:25 pm
neologist wrote:
(ritchie cordell)

Children behave
Thats what they say when were together
And watch how you play
They dont understand
And so were

Chorus:
Running just as fast as we can
Holdin on to one anothers hand
Tryin to get away into the night
And then you put your arms around me
And we tumble to the ground
And then you say

I think were alone now
There doesnt seem to be anyone around
I think were alone now
The beating of our hearts is the only sound

Look at the way
We gotta hide what were doin
cause what would they say
If they ever knew
And so were

Repeat chorus

I think were alone now
There doesnt seem to be anyone around
I think were alone now
The beating of our hearts is the only sound



Twisted Evil
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Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 12:26 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see that Frank is about his usual business of substituting personal invective for a cogent response.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Tsk, tsk indeed--you should learn to remove the vicious aspect from your response to criticism. You do yourself no favor by using personal attack as your response to having the flaws in your simplistic views pointed out to you.


Yeah...but I'd pay more attention if it came from someone with a functioning brain.

And for you to lecture on "vicious aspect" in "response to criticism" is so goddam funny, I almost shyt my pants when I read it.

You are beautiful, Set. Simply beautiful!


You, however, are an ugly piece of work, as the character of your reponses demonstrates.


I've seen pictures of you. You ought not ever to call anyone else ugly. And as for the character of responses...I suggest you read all the slop you have used to pollute this forum.

You are a loser.


You simply provide the more evidence that you have nothing to contribute once you've sung out your johnny-one-note mantra other than personal invective. You can't defend your position against any considered criticism because it is only a simple-minded, superficial correlation of terms. It lacks a logical underpinning. If your thesis were strongly founded, you'd have a basis to attempt to refute the criticism i've made of it. But you don't, so you just make increasingly nasty personal remarks--it's all you've got going for you once past your bankrupt thesis.
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Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 01:09 pm
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Frank Apisa wrote:
Setanta wrote:
I see that Frank is about his usual business of substituting personal invective for a cogent response.


Tsk, tsk, tsk.


Tsk, tsk indeed--you should learn to remove the vicious aspect from your response to criticism. You do yourself no favor by using personal attack as your response to having the flaws in your simplistic views pointed out to you.


Yeah...but I'd pay more attention if it came from someone with a functioning brain.

And for you to lecture on "vicious aspect" in "response to criticism" is so goddam funny, I almost shyt my pants when I read it.

You are beautiful, Set. Simply beautiful!


You, however, are an ugly piece of work, as the character of your reponses demonstrates.


I've seen pictures of you. You ought not ever to call anyone else ugly. And as for the character of responses...I suggest you read all the slop you have used to pollute this forum.

You are a loser.


You simply provide the more evidence that you have nothing to contribute once you've sung out your johnny-one-note mantra other than personal invective. You can't defend your position against any considered criticism because it is only a simple-minded, superficial correlation of terms. It lacks a logical underpinning. If your thesis were strongly founded, you'd have a basis to attempt to refute the criticism i've made of it. But you don't, so you just make increasingly nasty personal remarks--it's all you've got going for you once past your bankrupt thesis.


No.
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Chumly
 
  1  
Reply Wed 14 Jun, 2006 02:17 pm
Frank Apisa wrote:
Chumly wrote:
Nope because unless or until you can demonstrate one theology to be merited beyond another all must be treated equally from the persptove of your open-minded pretext. It does not matter one iota what name you give them; "hypothetical" or any other moniker.


While I agree with lots of what you say...I certainly disagree with this thought thread.

It not only is possible to be open-minded and still give various "explanations for REALITY" different amounts of credence...it is almost incumbent upon an open-minded person to do so.
Sherbet I am referring to theology not realty.

By theology I mean:
A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions of which I claimed "my dog blinked the universe into existence in its entirely 10 minutes ago" and my "religion that demands the extermination of all lesser peoples" to be requiring of the same degree of open-mindedness as per any other theology. Why? Because I have yet to see any theology demonstrate itself as being the more likely than another or to have a higher level of truly objective merit.

What makes the Dog Blink Universe theology (for example) to be less merited than a more popular theology? Nothing that I can see.

By realty I mean:
That which exists objectively and in fact.
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