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Ann Coulter Attacks 9/11 Widows

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:08 pm
Ticomaya wrote:




I guess that's another entry on your Master List of Everything Good is Liberal, Everything Bad is Conservative.


Well, the light has dawned!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:11 pm
No wonder I didn't know who Natalie Maines is. I just don't listen to country pop.

However, there is a real difference between saying Coulter is uniformed and Maines is fat. It's a difference that no one on the right can understand and it has to do with that classic of debating: the personal attack. To say Maines is fat is irrelevant and a genuine apples and oranges sort of comparison and a personal attack. To say Coulter is uninformed is not a personal attack.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:49 pm
plainoldme wrote:
No wonder I didn't know who Natalie Maines is. I just don't listen to country pop.

However, there is a real difference between saying Coulter is uniformed and Maines is fat. It's a difference that no one on the right can understand and it has to do with that classic of debating: the personal attack. To say Maines is fat is irrelevant and a genuine apples and oranges sort of comparison and a personal attack. To say Coulter is uninformed is not a personal attack.


Only the 'right' doesn't understand? So, what would you call this, then?

plainoldme (in personal attack-mode) wrote:
Dookiestix -- That is quite a picture of Coulter. Obviously, that one didn't feature her usual soft focus lens, tons of makeup and low level lighting. Her press secretary must be upset it got through!


http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2185024#2185024
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:55 pm
plainoldme wrote:
No wonder I didn't know who Natalie Maines is. I just don't listen to country pop.

However, there is a real difference between saying Coulter is uniformed and Maines is fat. It's a difference that no one on the right can understand and it has to do with that classic of debating: the personal attack. To say Maines is fat is irrelevant and a genuine apples and oranges sort of comparison and a personal attack. To say Coulter is uninformed is not a personal attack.

No amount of real world logic is going to persuade Tico otherwise, unfortunately. How he concludes that I'm full of hate and sexually hung-up is beyond disengenuous, but he doesn't have much at this stage of the game now, does he?

Suffice it to say, all this in the end amounts to some who continues to defend the indefensible. Natalie Maine's and Michael Moore's weight doesn't even come CLOSE to the hurtful rhetoric of Ann Coulter, someone who accuses grieving 9/11 widows of dancing happily on their dead husbands graves. Unfortuately, there are others who also agree with that sentiment. But in the spirit of "nyah, nyah," this is par for the course when there are some who cannot condemn one of their own.

How very sad...
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 04:57 pm
SierraSong wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
No wonder I didn't know who Natalie Maines is. I just don't listen to country pop.

However, there is a real difference between saying Coulter is uniformed and Maines is fat. It's a difference that no one on the right can understand and it has to do with that classic of debating: the personal attack. To say Maines is fat is irrelevant and a genuine apples and oranges sort of comparison and a personal attack. To say Coulter is uninformed is not a personal attack.


Only the 'right' doesn't understand? So, what would you call this, then?

plainoldme (in personal attack-mode) wrote:
Dookiestix -- That is quite a picture of Coulter. Obviously, that one didn't feature her usual soft focus lens, tons of makeup and low level lighting. Her press secretary must be upset it got through!


http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2185024#2185024

What is it about conservatives who completely lack any sense of humor?

Truly a puzzlement...
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 07:15 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
parados wrote:
Coulter is uninformed.

Maines is fat.


I don't know about anyone else but I see a big difference in those "insults." Coulter claims to be informed. Maines doesn't claim she is thin. One disagrees with a person and how they view themselves, the other outright attacks on a basis that wasn't brought up before.


Well the matter of Maine's fat was brought up before, on another thread. Some leftists too offense at the suggestion (not mine) that she was the "fat one" (of the Dixie Chicks) -- and even offense at the suggestion (mine) that she was "formerly fat."

But let me see if you agree there are other differences and similarities you didn't mention. Some posters on this thread have asserted that Coulter is not funny. Yet I think she's extremely funny. There really isn't any way to quantify this, because humor may be in the ear of the beholder. But Maines we could sit down on a scale and weigh, and do a BMI test, and determine if she is obese or merely "big boned." And yet there are those who would say "fat" is in the eye of the beholder.

So, I think the answer is clear: You are entitled to your opinions (just ask Dookiestix) about the relative level of humor employed by Coulter, and I am entitled to my opinion about the relative level of fat of Michael Moore and Natalie Maines.


Well Tico, I can see you aren't married (or ever dated perhaps). Otherwise you would know the difference between telling a woman she is fat vs telling her she isn't funny.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 8 Aug, 2006 09:25 pm
parados wrote:
Well Tico, I can see you aren't married (or ever dated perhaps). Otherwise you would know the difference between telling a woman she is fat vs telling her she isn't funny.


I've been very happily married to my beautiful wife for the past 9 years.

And not only have I never told my wife she's fat -- she isn't -- I've never told her she isn't funny either.
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kelticwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 05:27 am
When it comes to commentators though, the things they say are more important than how they look. Even for a human land mass like Rush Limbaugh, what he says is more important than how he looks.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 06:54 am
Well, sure Rush is a jiggling tub o' lard with scars on his ass ("Damn these unpratriotic boils to hell, doc...I WANT to go fight for my country!) but we don't care about all that because of the substantive contribution he now makes to the standards and content of political discourse. He's a satirist, with no difference from Twain. Or he's an entertainer, exactly like Chaplin. Or he's a political thinker, in the precise mode of Mill. A treasure...the man is a treasure.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 07:19 am
I'm pleased you see things my way, blatham.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 08:55 am
Blatham, stop being so sarcastically facetious -- some on these pages don't get it.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:13 am
Lightwizard wrote:
Blatham, stop being so sarcastically facetious -- some on these pages don't get it.


Case in point:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/images/avatars/428852444443159de138b7.gif
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:29 am
Very Happy ...and I still wonder where that cigar has been.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:35 am
In this country, during the past half century or so, the word pundit -- which was well understood during the era of great general interest magazines, a time when there were pundits -- has become misunderstood.

Most people, judging from their contexts, seem to think that a pundit is a columnist.

The exact meaning of pundit is a wise person.

Some here (exercising more than a modicum of self-control) have applied the term pundit to Coulter. Indeed, a squib from Wikipedia was produced in which Coulter was given that 'title.'

A rather obnoxious contributor thinks that Coulter should not be in the same ranks as people like Letterman and Leno and Ferguson. The problem is that Coulter is, as I said above, an exhibitionist. She is also an entertainer and, in no way, a pundit.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:39 am
Parados and Dookie -- We three have demonstrated the difference between constructive criticism and insult. I have to laugh at a contributor here -- new to me by this thread -- who seems to have it in for me and simply exhibits a total lack of discernment, intelligence and sophistication.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:42 am
Pundit is synonymous with talking head and many of them make one wonder where their brains are -- maybe their big toe?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 09:55 am
plainoldme wrote:
Parados and Dookie -- We three have demonstrated the difference between constructive criticism and insult. ....


Having recovered from the fit of laughter that gave me, I'm now curious to see if you would take a look at the following, and let me know whether you -- and your intelligent and sophisticated level of discernment -- believe it to be constructive criticism or insult?

Lightwizard wrote:
Very Happy ...and I still wonder where that cigar has been.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:03 am
plainoldme wrote:
Parados and Dookie -- We three have demonstrated the difference between constructive criticism and insult. I have to laugh at a contributor here -- new to me by this thread -- who seems to have it in for me and simply exhibits a total lack of discernment, intelligence and sophistication.

Like I said, conservatives generally don't have much of a sense of humor. Especially when they claim to have a sense of humor.

Being a musician, I can thoroughly respect Natalie Maines and her talent. It becomes really sad when the knee jerk retort for pointing out Ann Coulter's idiocy on so many levels is to comment on Natalie Maine's weight.

It sadly says alot about those who cannot intellectually stay on the same level, but feel the need to denigrate and label others if not for the sole purpose other than to bring this all down to a 3rd grade level.

Truly quite sad...
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:10 am
The only constructive criticism Tico needs is removing the brick wall around his brain.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 10:16 am
plainoldme wrote:
Parados and Dookie -- We three have demonstrated the difference between constructive criticism and insult. ....


So, you were just kidding when you said this?

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A rather obnoxious contributor thinks that Coulter should not be in the same ranks as people like Letterman and Leno and Ferguson. The problem is that Coulter is, as I said above, an exhibitionist. She is also an entertainer and, in no way, a pundit.


Or, will you be back to lecture us on the true meaning of 'obnoxious' - that it's not really an insult?

Or we'll get another 'story' of how you have a friend who has a friend who knows a guy......

LOL.
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