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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 01:22 am
Plain Ol has one word to say about President Bush's victories-
FLORIDA

Then another word OHIO.

Really? What do those words mean? Is Plain Ol really trying to resurrect the sore loser conspiracy nonsense?

Plain Ol shows that she really does not keep up with the important reading she must do to understand the political scene in the United States.

I am sure that even Plain Ol would not claim that the NEW YORK TIMES is a tool of the Neo-Conservatives.

What did the New York Times say about FLORIDA?


http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/one23/html


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"A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had allowed to go forward"


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okie
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 09:09 am
Bernard, arguing with plainoldme is like arguing with a butterfly. Once a point is clearly identified and you think now we will get somewhere with this, the butterfly magicly disappears and lands somewhere else, in other words the discussion becomes totally disconnected with one liners that have no relationship to the point being discussed. Thats why I gave up.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 11:29 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, I looked at your avatar, BernardR. What can one see?
And that tells us, according to your own logic?


He also criticized dlowan for her avatar. He's sort of the Cujo of avatar styles. The funny thing is he thought we were both men!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 11:30 am
okie wrote:
Bernard, arguing with plainoldme is like arguing with a butterfly. Once a point is clearly identified and you think now we will get somewhere with this, the butterfly magicly disappears and lands somewhere else, in other words the discussion becomes totally disconnected with one liners that have no relationship to the point being discussed. Thats why I gave up.


No, you gave up because I pointed out to you repeatedly that your reading ability was lacking. Others did the same.
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 12:08 pm
Plainoldme
Haven't you learned yet that there are a group of posters that refuse to acknowledge any facts that disagree with their own version of history. I still read the posts but have quit posting replys because one cant educate a closed mind.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 12:22 pm
Plain Ol Me thinks that Okie and I do not have the necessary "reading ability"??? This from a Kindergarten Teacher who reads Nora Roberts novels? She finds them "stimulating".

The last time she read Shakespeare was when she was in High School but she stopped on the second page of Macbeth because the language was "too hard" to understand!!!

I referenced the New York Times's definitive article showing that FLORIDA was not as Plain Ol Me would have it.

Plain Ol Me is so skillful in debate that she did not even try to rebut its contents.

Just like a clueless liberal left winger. When they cannot use reason, they call names. Well, then, Plain Ol Me. Now, you got a snootful.

Again, rebut the New York Times Article or admit you know nothing about FLORIDA!!!!
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 08:30 pm
plainoldme wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Well, I looked at your avatar, BernardR. What can one see?
And that tells us, according to your own logic?


The funny thing is he thought we were both men!


That's funny?
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 10:53 pm
BernardR wrote:

Again, rebut the New York Times Article or admit you know nothing about FLORIDA!!!!


I will guarantee you Bernard, she will not. The next post will be a few one liners about other things. What did I say about debating a butterfly?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jun, 2006 11:39 pm
Okie- Plain Ol Me is clearly limited in her ability to argue. She said I will tell you and then gave one word--FLORIDA.

That was supposed to strike fear into the hearts of all of us. She apparently did not know that the New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal and other newspapers along with statistics experts formed a consortium and went down to Florida to study the election and its results.

They came up with the finding that even if the USSC had not interevened in the election, President Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had allowed to go forward.

It is clear, Okie, that either Plain Ol Me can't read or doesn't read!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 08:44 am
BernardR wrote:
Plain Ol Me thinks that Okie and I do not have the necessary "reading ability"??? This from a Kindergarten Teacher who reads Nora Roberts novels? She finds them "stimulating".

The last time she read Shakespeare was when she was in High School but she stopped on the second page of Macbeth because the language was "too hard" to understand!!!

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OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 08:47 am
rabel22 wrote:
Plainoldme
Haven't you learned yet that there are a group of posters that refuse to acknowledge any facts that disagree with their own version of history. I still read the posts but have quit posting replys because one cant educate a closed mind.


How true! BernardR aka Italgatto aka massagatto and more has used the same methods time and time again, and quotes from the same sorry sources time and time again.

The only reason to post anything to these people is to keep them from spending time procreating!
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 08:48 am
BernardR wrote:
Okie- Plain Ol Me is clearly limited in her ability to argue. She said I will tell you and then gave one word--FLORIDA.

That was supposed to strike fear into the hearts of all of us. She apparently did not know that the New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal and other newspapers along with statistics experts formed a consortium and went down to Florida to study the election and its results.

They came up with the finding that even if the USSC had not interevened in the election, President Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had allowed to go forward.

It is clear, Okie, that either Plain Ol Me can't read or doesn't read!


Lovely way to change history there Bernie...

The consortium actually found that under some counting methods Bush won and under other methods Gore won.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2001/111201a.html

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Earlier, less comprehensive ballot studies by the Miami Herald and USA Today had found that Bush and Gore split the four categories of disputed ballots depending on what standard was applied to assessing the ballots - punched-through chads, hanging chads, etc. Bush won under two standards and Gore under two standards.

The new, fuller study found that Gore won regardless of which standard was applied and even when varying county judgments were factored in. Counting fully punched chads and limited marks on optical ballots, Gore won by 115 votes. With any dimple or optical mark, Gore won by 107 votes. With one corner of a chad detached or any optical mark, Gore won by 60 votes. Applying the standards set by each county, Gore won by 171 votes.

This core finding of Gore's Florida victory in the unofficial ballot recount might surprise many readers who skimmed only the headlines and the top paragraphs of the articles. The headlines and leads highlighted hypothetical, partial recounts that supposedly favored Bush.

Did you only skim the headlines Bernie? Because the story is quite different from what you are claiming. (You probably shouldn't have accused Plain of not being able to read in the same post you reveal you didn't read something. Are you perhaps accusing Plain of your own failings?)


There you go Bernie, a link and a quote. Rebut them or they stand.
Laughing
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 09:04 am
parados wrote:

The consortium actually found that under some counting methods Bush won and under other methods Gore won.
Are you talking about the methods that recounted only certain spots, namely Democratic precincts, not others where Bush would pick up votes, or where military votes were not counted?

Yes, Parados, we all remember that election, where Gore attempted to have only certain areas recounted, and where they protested the counting of military votes but soon thought better of it. That election where some Florida judges tried to get it done unconstitutionally. If you have a recount, it should be across the board. They tried to do it without doing it fair. Crooks anyway!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 09:23 am
Bush is the Vanna White of presidents, the spokesmodel in the WHite House, the tool of the oil interests.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 11:14 am
plainoldme, put me on record for loving oil companies. Without them, I would be unable to drive in comfort wherever I desire to go today. If all gas stations closed, talk about wreaking havoc! Not only would you not be able to get to work, but the food in the grocery stores would start disappearing pretty quickly. Remember when government shut down! Hardly anyone noticed out here. So which is more efficient and providing a larger service to all the citizens out here on a daily basis, oil companies or government? The answer should be obvious, so plainoldme, quit demagoguing oil companies please, or quit driving cars and buying food.
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 11:39 am
okie wrote:
parados wrote:

The consortium actually found that under some counting methods Bush won and under other methods Gore won.
Are you talking about the methods that recounted only certain spots, namely Democratic precincts, not others where Bush would pick up votes, or where military votes were not counted?

Yes, Parados, we all remember that election, where Gore attempted to have only certain areas recounted,
Which was Florida law at the time. Are you saying Gore shouldn't have followed the law?
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and where they protested the counting of military votes but soon thought better of it.
They never protested them. They considered it but decided against it. Meanwhile the Sec of State on her website after the election reported that the GOP protested overseas and military votes at a much higher rate than Dems.
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That election where some Florida judges tried to get it done unconstitutionally. If you have a recount, it should be across the board. They tried to do it without doing it fair. Crooks anyway!

The consortium did a study and listed all the methods.

The one that only counted the 4 counties Gore requested I think ended up with a Bush victory.
The method that recounted all counties ended up with a Gore victory. Rather ironic. The way you say it should have been recounted would have ended up with a Gore victory.
http://www.aei.org/docLib/20040526_KeatingPaper.pdf
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 01:16 pm
okie wrote:
plainoldme, put me on record for loving oil companies. Without them, I would be unable to drive in comfort wherever I desire to go today. If all gas stations closed, talk about wreaking havoc! Not only would you not be able to get to work, but the food in the grocery stores would start disappearing pretty quickly. Remember when government shut down! Hardly anyone noticed out here. So which is more efficient and providing a larger service to all the citizens out here on a daily basis, oil companies or government? The answer should be obvious, so plainoldme, quit demagoguing oil companies please, or quit driving cars and buying food.


What a masterful, cogent argument! What prose! What reasoning!
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 04:37 pm
How did Plain demagogue about oil companies?
She hasn't even mentioned them in the last 3 pages that I can see.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 10:27 pm
I know, I know, this is terribly sexist of me.

"Plaind Old Me" = Liberal female A2K poster = COW

Coincidence?
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BernardR
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jun, 2006 11:30 pm
Your paper. given by a Washington Post Reporter, as reported in your link, Mr. Parados is ASTONISHINGLY INCOMPLETE.

Note below:


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Study of Disputed Florida Ballots Finds Justices Did Not Cast the Deciding Vote
NY Times ^ | 11/12/01 | By FORD FESSENDEN and JOHN M. BRODER





A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward.

Contrary to what many partisans of former Vice President Al Gore have charged, the United States Supreme Court did not award an election to Mr. Bush that otherwise would have been won by Mr. Gore. A close examination of the ballots found that Mr. Bush would have retained a slender margin over Mr. Gore if the Florida court's order to recount more than 43,000 ballots had not been reversed by the United States Supreme Court.

Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff ?- filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties ?- Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.

But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to "count all the votes."

In addition, the review found statistical support for the complaints of many voters, particularly elderly Democrats in Palm Beach County, who said in interviews after the election that confusing ballot designs may have led them to spoil their ballots by voting for more than one candidate.

More than 113,000 voters cast ballots for two or more presidential candidates. Of those, 75,000 chose Mr. Gore and a minor candidate; 29,000 chose Mr. Bush and a minor candidate. Because there was no clear indication of what the voters intended, those numbers were not included in the consortium's final tabulations.

Thus the most thorough examination of Florida's uncounted ballots provides ammunition for both sides in what remains the most disputed and mystifying presidential election in modern times. It illuminates in detail the weaknesses of Florida's system that prevented many from voting as they intended to. But it also provides support for the result that county election officials and the courts ultimately arrived at ?- a Bush victory by the tiniest of margins.

The study, conducted over the last 10 months by a consortium of eight news organizations assisted by professional statisticians, examined numerous hypothetical ways of recounting the Florida ballots. Under some methods, Mr. Gore would have emerged the winner; in others, Mr. Bush. But in each one, the margin of victory was smaller than the 537- vote lead that state election officials ultimately awarded Mr. Bush.

For example, if Florida's 67 counties had carried out the hand recount of disputed ballots ordered by the Florida court on Dec. 8, applying the standards that county election officials said they would have used, Mr. Bush would have emerged the victor by 493 votes.

Florida officials had begun such a recount the next day, but the effort was halted that afternoon when the United States Supreme Court ruled in a 5-to-4 vote that a statewide recount under varying standards threatened "irreparable harm" to Mr. Bush.

But the consortium's study shows that Mr. Bush would have won even if the justices had not stepped in (and had further legal challenges not again changed the trajectory of the battle), answering one of the abiding mysteries of the Florida vote.

Even so, the media ballot review, carried out under rigorous rules far removed from the chaos and partisan heat of the post-election dispute, is unlikely to end the argument over the outcome of the 2000 presidential election. The race was so close that it is possible to get different results simply by applying different hypothetical vote-counting methods to the thousands of uncounted ballots. And in every case, the ballot review produced a result that was even closer than the official count ?- a margin of perhaps four or five thousandths of one percent out of about six million ballots cast for president.

In the study, the consortium examined 175,010 ballots that vote-counting machines had rejected last November. Those included so-called undervotes, or ballots on which the machines could not discern a preference for president, and overvotes, or ballots on which voters marked more than one candidate.

The examination then sought to judge what might have been considered a legal vote under various conditions ?- from the strictest interpretation (a clearly punched hole) to the most liberal (a small indentation, or dimple, that indicated the voter was trying to punch a hole in the card). But even under the most inclusive standards, the review found that at most, 24,773 ballots could have been interpreted as legal votes.

The numbers reveal the flaws in Mr. Gore's post-election tactics and, in retrospect, why the Bush strategy of resisting county-by-county recounts was ultimately successful.

In a finding rich with irony, the results show that even if Mr. Gore had succeeded in his effort to force recounts of undervotes in the four Democratic counties, Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach and Volusia, he still would have lost, although by 225 votes rather than 537. An approach Mr. Gore and his lawyers rejected as impractical ?- a statewide recount ?- could have produced enough votes to tilt the election his way, no matter what standard was chosen to judge voter intent.

Another complicating factor in the effort to untangle the result is the oversees absentee ballots that arrived after Election Day. A New York Times investigation earlier this year showed that 680 of the late- arriving ballots did not meet Florida's standards yet were still counted. The vast majority of those flawed ballots were accepted in counties that favored Mr. Bush, after an aggressive effort by Bush strategists to pressure officials to accept them.

A statistical analysis conducted for The Times determined that if all counties had followed state law in reviewing the absentee ballots, Mr. Gore would have picked up as many as 290 additional votes, enough to tip the election in Mr. Gore's favor in some of the situations studied in the statewide ballot review.

But Mr. Gore chose not to challenge these ballots because many were from members of the military overseas, and Mr. Gore did not want to be accused of seeking to invalidate votes of men and women in uniform.

Democrats invested heavily in get- out-the-vote programs across Florida, particularly among minorities, recent immigrants and retirees from the Northeast. But their efforts were foiled by confusing ballot designs in crucial counties that resulted in tens of thousands of Democratic voters spoiling their ballots. More than 150,000 of those spoiled ballots did not show evidence of voter intent even after independent observers closely examined them and the most inclusive definition of what constituted a valid vote was applied.

The majority of those ballots were spoiled because multiple choices were made for president, often, apparently, because voters were confused by the ballots. All were invalidated by county election officials and were excluded from the consortium count because there was no clear proof of voter intent, unless there were other clear signs of the voter's choice, like a matching name on the line for a write-in candidate.

In Duval County, for example, 20 percent of the ballots from African- American areas that went heavily for Mr. Gore were thrown out because voters followed instructions to mark a vote on every page of the ballot. In 62 precincts with black majorities in Duval County alone, nearly 3,000 people voted for Mr. Gore and a candidate whose name appeared on the second page of the ballot, thus spoiling their votes.

In Palm Beach County, 5,310 people, most of them probably confused by the infamous butterfly ballot, voted for Mr. Gore and Pat Buchanan. The confusion affected Bush voters as well, but only 2,600 voted for Mr. Bush and another candidate.

The media consortium included The Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Tribune Company, The Washington Post, The Associated Press, The St. Petersburg Times, The Palm Beach Post and CNN. The group hired the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago in January to examine the ballots. The research group employed teams of three workers they called coders to examine each undervoted ballot and mark down what they saw in detail. Three coders provided a bulwark against inaccuracy or bias in the coding. For overvotes, one coder was used because there was seldom disagreement among examiners in a trial run using three coders.

The data produced by the ballot review allows scrutiny of the disputed Florida vote under a large number of situations and using a variety of different standards that might have applied in a hand recount, including the appearance of a dimple, a chad dangling by one or more corners and a cleanly punched card.

The difficulty of perceiving dimples or detached chads can be measured by the number of coders who saw them, but most of the ballot counts here are based on what a simple majority ?- two out of three coders ?- recorded.

The different standards mostly involved competing notions of what expresses voter intent on a punch card. The 29,974 ballots using optical scanning equipment were mostly interpreted using a single standard ?- any unambiguous mark, whether a circle or a scribble or an X, on or near the candidate name was considered evidence of voter intent.

If all the ballots had been reviewed under any of seven single standards, and combined with the results of an examination of overvotes, Mr. Gore would have won, by a very narrow margin. For example, using the most permissive "dimpled chad" standard, nearly 25,000 additional votes would have been reaped, yielding 644 net new votes for Mr. Gore and giving him a 107-vote victory margin.

But the dimple standard was also the subject of the most disagreement among coders, and Mr. Bush fought the use of this standard in recounts in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami- Dade Counties. Many dimples were so light that only one coder saw them, and hundreds that were seen by two were not seen by three. In fact, counting dimples that three people saw would have given Mr. Gore a net of just 318 additional votes and kept Mr. Bush in the lead by 219.

Using the most restrictive standard ?- the fully punched ballot card ?- 5,252 new votes would have been added to the Florida total, producing a net gain of 652 votes for Mr. Gore, and a 115-vote victory margin.

All the other combinations likewise produced additional votes for Mr. Gore, giving him a slight margin over Mr. Bush.

While these are fascinating findings, they do not represent a real- world situation. There was no set of circumstances in the fevered days after the election that would have produced a hand recount of all 175,000 overvotes and undervotes.

The Florida Supreme Court urged a statewide recount and ordered the state's 67 counties to begin a manual re-examination of the undervotes in a ruling issued Dec. 8 that left Mr. Gore and his allies elated.

The Florida court's 4-to-3 ruling rejected Mr. Gore's plea for selective recounts in four Democratic counties, but also Mr. Bush's demand for no recounts at all. Justice Barbara Pariente, in her oral arguments, asked, "Why wouldn't it be proper for any court, if they were going to order any relief, to count the undervotes in all of the counties where, at the very least, punch-card systems were operating?"

The court ultimately adopted her view, although extending it to all counties, including those using ballots marked by pen and read by optical scanning. Many counties immediately began the effort, applying different standards and, in some cases, including overvotes.

The United States Supreme Court stepped in only hours after the counting began, issuing an injunction to halt the recounts. Three days later, the justices formally overturned the Florida court's ruling, sealing Mr. Bush's election.

But what if the recounts had gone forward, as Mr. Gore and his lawyers had demanded?

The consortium asked all 67 counties what standard they would have used and what ballots they would have manually recounted. Combining that information with the detailed ballot examination found that Mr. Bush would have won the election, by 493 votes if two of the three coders agreed on what was on the ballot; by 389 counting only those ballots on which all three agreed.

The Florida Legislature earlier this year banned punch-card ballots statewide, directing counties to find a more reliable method. Many counties will use paper ballots scanned by computers at voting places that can give voters a second chance if their choices fails to register. In counties that use that technology, just 1 in 200 ballots had uncountable presidential votes, compared with 1 in 25 in punch-card counties.

Others will invest in computerized touch-screen machines that work like automated teller machines.

Kirk Wolter, who supervised the ballot review for the National Opinion Research Center, said that the study not only provided a comprehensive review of uncounted ballots in Florida but would help point the way toward more accurate and reliable voting systems. All data from the consortium recount is available on the Web at www.norc.org.

Mr. Wolter, the research center's senior vice president for statistics and methodology, said, "I hope in turn this can lead to voting reform and better ways of doing this in future elections."
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The first paragraph reveals that President Bush would have won even if the USSC had not intervened-IT IS CLEAR FROM THE READING OF THE ARTICLE THAT THIS REFERS TO MR. GORE'S REQUEST FOR A RECOUNT IN f o u r p r e d o m i n a n t l y Democratic Counties.


THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH ABOVE SAYS GORE MIGHT HAVE WON IF, IF THE COURT HAD ORDERED A STATE WIDE RECOUNT OF THE 175,000 BALLOTS.

And, that paragraph also says that the ASSUMPTION IS MADE THAT THE COUNTY CANVASSING BOARDS WOULD HAVE REACHED THE SAME CONCLUSIONS AS THE CONSORTIUM ABOUT THE 175,000 STATE WIDE DISPUTED BALLOTS.


Since most of the canvassing boards in the central and northern Florida Districts were Republican Dominated it would have been highly unlikely even if there had been scrupulous efforts to follow strict counting proceures, that those central and Northern Counties would not have come up with figures ( out of 175,000 votes) 500 or 1000 higher for President Bush.



BUT THAT IS NOT THE CRITICAL POINT.

THE CRITICAL POINT IS THE SECTION WHICH SAYS THAT GORE AND HIS LAWYERS REJECTED A STATE WIDE RECOUNT AS IMPRACTICAL..IMPRACTICAL..IMPRACTICAL.

Why? According to the post made by Mr. Parados, if and only if the Central and Northern Counties had arrived at the same results as the Consortium IN A STATE WIDE RECOUNT OF DISPUTED VOTES, Gore MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT have won, but Gore and his lawyers REJECTED, REJECTED, REJECTED, the state wide recount as impractical.


Why?

Judge Richard A. Posner tells us why in his book "Breaking the Deadlock"

P. 132

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"Five Justices held that because the FLORIDA COURT HAD HELD REPEATEDLY THAT FLORIDA'S LEGISLATURE WOULD HAVE WANTED THE STATE TO ENJOY THE ADVANTAGE OF THE SAFE HARBOR FOR ELECTORS APPOINTED NO LATER THAN DECEMBER 12 THAT WAS THE DEADLINE AD SO NO FURTHER RECOUNT WAS PERMISSIBLE UNDER FLOIRIDA LAW.

T H E F L O R I D A S U P R E M E C O U R T SAID THAT THE SECRETARY OF STATE CAN IGNORE LATE-SUBMITTED COUNTY VOTE TOTALS IF WAITING FOR THEM WOULD RESULT IN "FLORIDA VOTERS NOT PRATICIPATING FULLY IN THE FEDERAL ELECTORAL PROCESS AS PROVIDED IN 3 U.S.C. $ $-THE SAFE HARBOR PROVISIONS

(It must be noted here that article II of the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES GIVES THE State Legislature Authority to determine the manner in which a state's Presidential electors are appointed. DECEMBER 18TH WAS THE DEADLINE REFERENCED BY THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT, THE US SUPREME COURT AND THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE as the STATUTORY DEADLINE, STATUTORY DEADLINE, FOR THE SLATE OF ELECTORS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE LEGISLATURE.


That is why Gore and his lawyers decided that the state wide recount was impractical. They could not have possibly met the safe harbor deadline and so the state wide recount was impossible. Gore's lawyers were also aware that the canvassing boards in the largely Northern and Central Districts leaned Republican> Even if there had been enough time, the closeness of the vote and the many decisions to be made about Chads. etc.etc., would have been deleterious to Gore!
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