Global Warming vs. Terrorism

Parados, do you ever watch weather channels replaying of storms, hurricanes, floods, tornados, cyclones, droughts, animals dying, people dying in all sorts of disasters? Add the creepy music, then narrate it with some long haired hippie scientist explaining to all of us nitwits out here how global warming could very well be responsible, and in fact probably is responsible for all of those things. Now that is REAL SCIENCE Parados. I become so educated when I watch those things. They are always so documented with indisputable facts and figures.

Parados, then do you watch cartoons, as they are also so deeply informative and scientific as well?

On second thought, I think I prefer Krauthammers science. His has at least a bit of common sense injected.

Your posts fill me with the urge to defecate.

Perhaps Bernie or okie could point me to the peer reviewed artilce that has printed the study done that backs up Mr Krauthammer.

I see no research mentioned to support anything he has said.

I peer reviewed his article, Parados, and have hereby certified it to meet the minimum standards of something called "common sense."

Do you need a research paper to prove the sun came up this morning, Parados?

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I have, unfortunately missed the scientific references made by Mr.Parados.

I am very much afraid that Mr.Parados knows very very little about science. I will refer to Mr. Krauthammer's article again and invite Mr. Parados to display his scientific knowledge by rebutting Mr. Krauthammer's references. I am fairly certain that Mr. Parados will not do so because, if his past posts are any criterion, he cannot rebut.

Here are the SCIENTIFIC sources used by Mr. Krauthammer in his article cited previously:

quote: Baliunas--


Sea Levels And Storms

The computer climate models do not make any reliable predictions whatever concerning global flooding, storm variability, and other catastrophes that have come to be a part of the popular definition of ''global warming.'' (See Chapter 6, section 6-5 of reference 14.) Yet several scenarios of impending global catastrophe have arisen separately. One of these hypothesizes that rising sea levels will flood large areas of coastal land. Figure 15 shows satellite measurements of global sea level between 1993 and 1997 (43). The reported current global rate of rise amounts to only about plus 2 mm per year, or plus 8 inches per century, and even this estimate is probably high (43). The trends in rise and fall of sea level in various regions have a wide range of about 100 mm per year with most of the globe showing downward trends (43).


Figure 15: Global sea level measurements from the Topex/Poseidon satellite altimeter for 1993 to 1997 (43). The instrument record gives a rate of change of minus 0.2 mm per year (43). However, it has been reported that 50-year tide gauge measurements give plus 1.8 mm per year. A correction of plus 2.3 mm per year was added to the satellite data based on comparison to selected tide gauges to get a value of plus 2.1 mm per year or 8 inches per century (43).
Historical records show no acceleration in sea level rise in the 20th century (44). Moreover, claims that global warming will cause the Antarctic ice cap to melt and sharply increase this rate are not consistent with experiment or with theory (45).

Similarly, claims that hurricane frequencies and intensities have been increasing are also inconsistent with the data. Figure 16 shows the number of severe Atlantic hurricanes per year and also the maximum wind intensities of those hurricanes. Both of these values have been decreasing with time.



Figure 16: Annual numbers of violent hurricanes and maximum attained wind speeds during those hurricanes in the Atlantic Ocean (46). Slopes of the trend lines are minus 0.25 hurricanes per decade and minus 0.33 meters per second maximum attained wind speed per decade.
As temperatures recover from the Little Ice Age, the more extreme weather patterns that characterized that period may be trending slowly toward the milder conditions that prevailed during the Middle Ages, which enjoyed average temperatures about 1 ºC higher than those of today. Concomitant changes are also taking place, such as the receding of glaciers in Montana's Glacier National Park."




-Here is what Mr. Krauthammer referenced in his article.


"Harvard astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas points out that in Northern Europe over the last thousand years, the increased devastation and occurence of storms is closely linked to cooler rather than warmer temperatures. Sublime conditions occured during the 10th -12th centuries( roughly 1 degree C warmer than now) In the 13th century, when a cooling began that lasted centuries, storms and sea flooding in the area around the North Sea increased dramatically in severity and frequency"


I will wait for Mr. Parados to rebut the scientific opinion expressed above, but I am fairly certain that all I will get is an unreferenced and ignorant response, if any at all.

I am sure you have observed the phenomenon, Okie. When they can't rebut an argument, they either make personal attacks or behave as if they had not been thoroughly shown up by an argument against their claims.

It says a lot about the science used in that you claim to be a peer of Mr Krauthammer.

Peer reviewed would be a scientific study published in a science magazine and reviewed by other scientists.

Hi, Advocate --

Were you on Abuzz? Bernie used several names there, most notably massagatto. He truly loves disruption and ending communication and he spammed constantly. I actually gave him the benefit of the doubt, thinking his double and triple posts here were the result of the recent difficulty we had here on a2k. However, that is long gone and you are right: he is spamming.

Written by okie, who seems to be in a time warp:

then narrate it with some long haired hippie scientist explaining to all of us

Parados, can't you appreciate a little humor? By the way, do you claim to be smarter than Krauthammer?

San Diego, CA ?- Great Summer Reading

July 12, 2006

Ever felt like you wished you knew more about global warming, but didn't know where to start? Have a few lazy summer afternoons? Well pick up any of these books and you'll be on your way to understanding this urgent issue. Whether you want to learn about the science, the politics, the potential outcomes, or the solutions, there's a book for you on our summer reading list.

The beauty of a virtual march is that you can march and read at the same time! We hope you enjoy these books (and pass them along to a friend when you're finished too.)


Al Gore, An Inconvenient Truth
The companion volume to the movie, An Inconvenient Truth tells the story of former Vice President Al Gore's life-long passion for studying global warming, and details his quest to educate the world about the growing threat we face from the climate crisis. Loaded with charts, maps, photos and supporting data, the book allows those who saw the film to delve into the details at their own pace. Even if you haven't seen the movie yet, it's a great overview of the scientific consensus on global warming and a call to action we can't afford to ignore.

Anne Jankéliowitch and Ariel Dekovic (w/ photography by Philippe Bourseiller), 365 Ways to Save the Earth
365 Ways to Save the Earth provides a fact for every day of the year about pressing environmental problems and offers simple advice on ways you can help save the planet. With breathtaking photography by acclaimed nature photographer and five-time winner of the World Press Prize, Philippe Bourseiller, you'll feel like a world traveler looking at the pictures from sub-Saharan Africa, Australia, Alaska, Egypt and the freezing stillness of Greenland. This book is really a journey around the globe, carrying the important message that we must all take steps to protect the planet from environmental injury, especially the biggest threat of all, global warming.


Elizabeth Kolbert, Field Notes from a Catastrophe: Man, Nature, and Climate Change
Based on a groundbreaking series of articles Kolbert authored for the New Yorker magazine in the spring of 2005, Field Notes offers an unbiased look at the reality of global warming. Featuring interviews with researchers, environmentalists and residents of towns threatened by the changing climate, the book takes readers on a wild adventure through the Arctic Circle; visits floating houses in the Netherlands designed to lift up and bob with rising water levels; and tracks Burlington, Vermont's impressive efforts to reduce energy usage and fight global warming. Kolbert's writing style is easy to follow and concise, and the book ends with a selected bibliography and extended notes, as well as a short chronology of CO2 levels since James Watt's 1769 release of the steam engine.

Tim Flannery, The Weather Makers: How Man is Changing the Climate and What It Means for Life on Earth
World-renowned scientist and explorer Tim Flannery offers a clear, accessible review of the complex science behind global warming in The Weather Makers. Credited with changing his native Australia's stance on global warming, Flannery is an authority on this issue that even the most cynical reader can trust to present his arguments factually and carefully. From dying coral reefs to melting polar ice caps to disappearing species, Flannery covers a wide range of scientific topics, offering real-life examples of global warming's devastating consequences. Tracing climate history through the geologic time periods up to the present, The Weather Makers explains that humans have definitely changed global climate systems, and predicts that the next 100 years could prove disastrous if we don't act fast.

Andrew Revkin, The North Pole Was Here: Puzzles and Perils at the Top of the World
An award-winning environmental reporter with The New York Times, Revkin has written extensively about global warming, including two previous books on the subject. His latest effort, The North Pole Was Here, chronicles Revkin's trip to the top of the world with a team of scientists studying global warming's effects on this vanishing polar ice cap. Filled with color photos and detailed travel notes, this thrilling adventure story is a page-turner for everyone. Written to be accessible to middle school students (especially appealing to those with an interest in science or journalism), it's a great read for anyone new to the topic of global warming.

Nicholas Gabriel Arons, Waiting For Rain: The Politics And Poetry Of Drought In Northeast Brazil
Arons spent a year in Brazil on a Fulbright scholarship walking through ghost towns decimated by drought, visiting bone-dry reservoirs that once served large cities, seeing acres of dry shrubs that were once productive farms, collecting oral histories on involuntary emigration driven by water shortages, and interviewing scientists with years of experience who explained that the droughts of the 1990s were the worst on record. In the book, Arons chronicles the tragic impact that droughts have had on the Brazilian people and discusses how global warming will increase the strength and incidence of droughts, as a way of demonstrating what communities across the globe will face in coming years if the pace of climate change is not slowed.

Ross Gelbspan, Boiling Point: How Politicians, Big Oil and Coal, Journalists, and Activists Have Fueled the Climate Crisis-and What We Can Do to Avert Disaster
First published in 2004, Boiling Point is recommended reading for anyone interested in not only the science behind climate change, but also the war on science launched by corporate polluters who bankrolled an extensive network of ?'skeptics' and contrarians in an effort to confuse the issue and thwart progress toward solving global warming.

Gelbspan traces the industry funding of the naysayers, and chastises the mainstream media for ignoring these clear conflicts when quoting them. He also berates his fellow reporters for failing to educate the American public on this critical issue. Featuring "Snapshots of the Warming," Boiling Point uses real-life examples of the impacts that climate change has already had on our world, and lays out an articulate plan of action to change course quickly to avert disaster.

Tom Pollock and Jack Seybold, The Rising: Journeys in the Wake of Global Warming
A novel about what the future might look like if global warming were to cause a sequence of natural disasters that sent the world into chaos, The Rising is both a thrilling tale and an ominous peek at the possible consequences facing humanity. Hurricane Katrina's civil horror and failed government are multiplied on every coast and survivors struggle to escape the vanishing shorelines. Antarctic ice collapses and global panic ensues. The East Coast is devastated, and California's water system is crippled by rising sea levels. The world is changed forever by the phenomenon of global warming. Although a work of fiction, the authors took care to paint a realistic scenario based on the facts of climate science. This book is at once entertainment, a warning, and a cry of hope.

Other recommended books

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., Crimes Against Nature

Jared Diamond, Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed

Todd Wilkinson, Science Under Siege: The Politicians' War on Nature and Truth

James Gustave Speth, Red Sky at Morning: America and the Crisis of the Global Environment, A Citizen's Agenda For Action

Michael Pollan, The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals

Jeff Goodall, Big Coal

Keith Bradsher, High and Mighty, SUVs: The World's Most Dangerous Vehicles and How They Got That Way

Mark Hertsgaard, Earth Odyssey: around the world in search of our environmental future

Bill McKibben, The End of Nature

Plainoldme:

Yeah, Bernie has an inglorious record of spamming, misquoting, ad hominem attacks, and latrine-oriented language. Compared to his past, he is now, so far, relatively well behaved.

Mr. Parados does not know that Dr. Baliunas is one of the most respected scientists in the United States and that her article are indeed peer-reviewed.


Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

• Abstract
• Summary
• Rise In Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide
• Atmospheric And Surface Temperatures
• The Global Warming Hypothesis
• Global Warming Evidence
• Sea Levels And Storms
• Fertilization Of Plants
• Discussion
• References



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ARTHUR B. ROBINSON, SALLIE L. BALIUNAS, WILLIE SOON, AND ZACHARY W. ROBINSON

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, 2251 Dick George Rd., Cave Junction, Oregon 97523 [email protected]

George C. Marshall Institute, 1730 K St., NW, Ste 905, Washington, DC 20006 [email protected] January 1998



But Mr. Parados would not know that. I can, if necessary, bring up several articles in Scientific Magazines which are peer reviewed, written by Dr. Baliunas and staff and are on the subject of storms.

I notice that the Global Warming thread has been locked. I am glad that Okie, Asherman, George Ob1 and myself showed the left wing that global warming is not as it has been reported by the sky is falling crowd!!!

Why don't you bring up articles by the church from the 1300's claiming the world is flat while you are at it Bernard. It makes as much sense as an editorial from 1997.

Amigo, Parados -- Bernie/Massa continually falls back upon people whose success is owed to the Peter Principle and thinks they are truly admired by the world at large when they laughed at and regarded as something of an embarrassment.

plainoldme, you can't be serious? Your list of books are mostly political books, plainoldme, they are not serious scientific works.

Global warming v. terrorism.

Apples v. oranges?

I was at Barnes and Noble yesterday looking for a new book to read. I noticed that Al's book was in the New Release section. After quickly glancing at it, I picked up the whole stack and moved it to the New Fiction section.

Frankly, I hope you've had a vasectomy.

Frankly, I wish your dad got a vasectomy.

You can't take the idea of personal responsibility, can you? Of course not! That might mean being informed, caring about others and giving things up.

Your beliefs, or, rather, your ignorance is a danger to us all.